SUPER FUNNY UPDATE ON JOEL OSTEEN: Check out Joel Osteen’s super scammy books he sells on Amazon (24!!!) including his self help BS book
and his hilarious book on “Wise Choices”. If only he’d follow his own advice!
LOL! For all you Joel Osteen fanboys – remember he just cynically feeds on you to make money so he can live his fancy lifestyle. He couldn’t care less about you in reality.
Popular televangelist preacher Joel Osteen has been named the “Most Influential Christian in America” in 2006 by the Church Report, was one of
Barbara Walters, “10 Most Fascinating People of 2006 and operates an extraordinarily profitable religious scam operation that probably will one day end in scandal.
So who is this guy who has appeared on 60 Minutes, Larry King Live and has his own television shows?
Who is this guy who thinks he can share the mighty name of Joel?
Joel Osteen has not yet had major sex scandals, drug scandals or molestation scandals like the other megachurch pastors: Pat Robertson, Al Sharpton, Ted Haggard, Paul Barnes, D.E. (Earl) Paulk, Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker, William Dodd and too many others to possibly mention here. What Joel Osteen DOESN’T do is the real question.
In his sermons, Joel Osteen does not talk about God. Joel Osteen instead talks about almost everything except God. He has a television ministry, a massive church, $43 million a year in tithes and another $36 million a year in mailed in donations, but he won’t talk about God. He, like Pastor Kevin Gerald, talks about more pleasant topics, such as donating money to him and positive thinking. He has written two books, the second of which sold 3 million copies, but his books don’t really talk about God either. It’s just his bland and boring advice on how to live a happy life that has been thought of by other people first, “Think positively about yourself” and other such drivel.
What does Joel Osteen say when people ask him about why he does not discuss God or Jesus Christ or sin or what you need to do to go to Heaven? “That’s not my gift.” What are you doing being a freaking megachurch pastor then, bonehead?!
If you are going to try to operate a religious scam, at least make it religious! I actually think that Joel Osteen operating a secular “Christian” church is more of a scandal than Ted Haggard and his transsexual prostitutes and meth! (Though not nearly as funny of a scandal).
Joel Osteen didn’t even found his megachurch; instead the business was handed down to him by his father. When Joel Osteen became the head pastor of his church, he had only preached ONE sermon in his entire life- and that was the week before. Joel Osteen does not have any training in the Bible (seminary, degrees, etc.), which is probably why he doesn’t want to talk about it much.
My loyal readers have pointed out to me many times that the ridiculous actions of leaders in religion do not invalidate their beliefs. They are absolutely correct on this. However, there has never been anything that VALIDATES their beliefs either. The Flying Spaghetti Monster has the same amount of evidence on his side as most other gods. Here is another question I put to you: Please find me a single megachurch pastor who is NOT a scam-running, meth-eating, prostitute-abusing criminal. Anyone?
Update March 3, 2008 on JOEL OSTEEN:
Many people have been discussing Joel Osteen in the comments and making statements about his beliefs, behavior and preaching methods that show a distinct lack of understanding of his profit driven motives. Below I have added a video of Joel Osteen on Larry King Live where he dances around the core question of the Christian faith: What does it take to get to heaven? Joel Osteen hems and haws and won’t even say that people of different religions won’t make it to heaven.
The partial transcript for Joel Osteen’s interview with Larry King is below. I have basically pulled out the most pertinent excerpts to the point I have tried to make on televangelist Joel Osteen.
Televangelist Joel Osteen Discusses Christianity with Larry King
First is Larry King’s impressive introduction of Joel Osteen:
LARRY KING, CNN HOST: Tonight, Joel Osteen, evangelism’s hottest rising star, pastor for the biggest congregation in the United States… Pastor Joel Osteen is here for the hour…. Joel Osteen is the author of the number one “New York Times” best-seller, “Your Best Life Now.” There you see its cover. “Seven Steps to Living at Your Full Potential.” There is now a compendium been published called “Your Best Life Now Journal,” a guide to reaching that full potential. Joel Osteen is pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. His father before him. He has been called the smiling preacher.
Larry King knows Joel Osteen Ministries is huge and tries to play nice with him throughout the interview.
KING: Why are you a preacher?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I never was for 17 years. I worked with my dad there at the church. He tried to get me to minister. I didn’t have it in me. I worked behind the scenes. I loved doing production and things. But when my father died, I just knew — I don’t know how to explain it, it sounds kind of odd, but I just knew down to here I was supposed to step up to the plate and pastor the church. And it was odd because I had never preached before. But I just knew I was supposed to do it.
Hmmm… either God gave him the “calling” or he was scared of losing his father’s multi-million dollar preaching business.
KING: But don’t you think if people don’t believe as you believe, they’re somehow condemned?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I think that happens in our society. But I try not to do that. I tell people all the time, preached a couple Sundays about it. I’m for everybody. You may not agree with me, but to me it’s not my job to try to straighten everybody out. The Gospel called the good news. My message is a message of hope, that’s God’s for you. You can live a good life no matter what’s happened to you. And so I don’t know. I know there is condemnation but I don’t feel that’s my place.
Joel Osteen comes right out and says that he will refuse to condemn sinners. He is too afraid, it’s not his place, he just wants to spew bland niceties… hmmm.
LARRY KING: Where were you ordained? OSTEEN: I was ordained from the church there, Lakewood, under my dad’s ministry.
LARRY KING: So you didn’t go to seminary?
JOEL OSTEEN: No, sir, I didn’t.
LARRY KING: They can just make you a minister?
JOEL OSTEEN: You can, you can.
Wow. Joel Osteen never even attended Bible school or classes for future preachers. No wonder he is so clueless about Biblical theology.
LARRY KING: Is it hard to lead a Christian life?
JOEL OSTEEN: I don’t think it’s that hard. To me it’s fun. We have joy and happiness. Our family — I don’t feel like that at all. I’m not trying to follow a set of rules and stuff. I’m just living my life.
LARRY KING: But you have rules, don’t you?
JOEL OSTEEN: We do have rules. But the main rule to me is to honor God with your life. To life a life of integrity. Not be selfish. You know, help others. But that’s really the essence of the Christian faith.
Of course its not hard for Joel Osteen to lead a Christian life. BECAUSE HE’S NOT!!!
LARRY KING: What if you’re Jewish or Muslim, you don’t accept Christ at all?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I’m very careful about saying who would and wouldn’t go to heaven. I don’t know …
LARRY KING: If you believe you have to believe in Christ? They’re wrong, aren’t they?
JOEL OSTEEN: Well, I don’t know if I believe they’re wrong. I believe here’s what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God with judge a person’s heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don’t know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don’t know. I’ve seen their sincerity. So I don’t know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.
The last exchange between Larry King and Joel Osteen hits the nail on the head of everything that is wrong with the Joel Osteen Ministry. All it is is fluff. He can’t even defend the single core belief of Christianity- that a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is a requirement to gain access to Heaven.
Below is more Joel Osteen preaching videos. Joel Osteen preaches on cheesy, transparent topics that have nothing to do with the Bible. He twists scripture around to serve his own purposes of mass produced drivel. My question to Joel Osteen is where in the Bible does it say Christians have a “right to total victory” over physical pain, financial problems and other issues? Did he completely miss the book of Job or the trials and tribulations that the early Christians had to suffer under the Romans? I don’t think that Joel Osteen has ever even read the Bible.
DO NOT LET JOEL OSTEEN CONTINUE TO GET AWAY WITH HIS BIBLE-CONTRADICTING, POLITICALLY CORRECT AND PROFIT SEEKING DRIVEL! JOEL OSTEEN’S SCANDAL IS OUTRAGEOUS!
Jesus once went into a temple and threw out currency traders and salespeople…. WHO WILL THROW THE SCANDAL CREATING JOEL OSTEEN OUT OF GOD’S ASTRODOME TEMPLE?
Further discussion: Joel Osteen megachurch building – Joel Osteen paid the city of Houston $90,000,000 to remodel the former home of NBA team Houston Rockets and an additional $14,000,000 to lease the building for 30 years. Preacher Joel Osteen’s megachurch does not even own the building! Pastor Joel Osteen doesn’t care though- he’ll be dead by then and this church is all about him. The most interesting thing about the new church is that there is not a SINGLE cross in the whole building! Want to know why? Joel Osteen says that he wants to remove all “stumbling blocks” from the way of people coming to his church and being comfortable. Since when has Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross been a STUMBLING BLOCK for faith?! The scandal here is that the Joel Osteen is doing and saying blasphemous things… and no one is calling him out on it. The pastor of the largest church in America won’t even follow the basic tenets of Christianity!
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Joel Osteen is unable to even keep his own family under control. Pastor Joel Olsteen’s wife, Victoria Osteen, has been fined $3,000 and is being sued for assaulting a flight attendant on her first-class trip to the playground of the rich and famous Vail, Colorado.
Bible Verses that Condemn Megachurch Pastor Joel Osteen
I have had quite a few people post in the comments asking what does it really matter what Joel Osteen believes if he’s helping people? If Joel Osteen teaches nice things, isn’t it okay for him to be a Christian pastor? I understand that my opinions of right and wrong should not sway you, but I ask you to consider what the Bible says on the matter. First, let’s take the Bible verses that are the standard definition of who is a Christian:
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 (NIV)
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 (NIV)
For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23 (NIV)
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faithand this not from yourselves, it is the gift of Godnot by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (NIV)
To summarize, the only way to be saved and go to heaven is by the grace of Jesus and by faith in God. These are the basic verses that every Christian who has accepted Christ knows. Now for the verses that clearly state that only Christians who believe the above will go to Heaven:
-John 3:3: no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.
-John 3:15: everyone who believes in him [Jesus] may have eternal life.
-John 3:18: whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of Gods one and only Son.
-John 14:6: Jesus answered: No one comes to the Father except through me
-Acts 3:23: And it shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people. (ASV)
-Acts 4:12: Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved
-Romans 10:9: Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved
-Hebrews 9:28: he [Christ] will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him
-1 John 5:12: he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
The nine quoted verses above clearly state that only Christians can go to Heaven. Now, if Joel Osteen truly believed and was a pastor of a Bible-based church, would he preach a false message of hope to people? Joel Osteen is essentially subverting the word of God, which motivated me to write this post. I am not sure why Joel would do this, but my postulation (as above) is that he is doing it for financial gain. Joel Osteens father was a pastor and he has been a pastor for a long time now and he should know better than most people the MOST basic tenets of Christianity. Ignorance is an excuse for new Christians (as long as they work at it), but not for a shepherd of the flock.
Do you know what the Bible says about false teachers like Joel Osteen?
-2 Timothy 4:3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.
-Matthew 7:15,16 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits.
-Acts 20:29-31 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves . Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.
-2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
-2 Peter 3:16,17 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
-Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
-Hebrews 13:9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.
The Bible is very, very harsh in its condemnation of people who change, twist or leave out parts of its doctrine. False leaders (Joel Osteen), to me, are more disgusting than someone who is a hypocrite (Ted Haggard).
For more information on mega church pastor Joel Osteen you can search Google with the terms joelosteen.com or joel osteen.com to find the man’s website. You could also use terms such as Joel Osteen Website or Joel Osteen Lakewood Church for other sorts of information on him.
Why do I care what Joel Osteen does or doesnt do in his church, especially seeing that I am not religious? People who are cheats, fakes, and phonies really bother me. I have written quite a few other posts on various community leaders who lead people astray for their own personal gain. My tax dollars go to support Joel Osteen (every church in America is exempt from taxes, but Joel Osteen is making millions tax-free teaching his Prosperity Message when he is basically just another self-help guru). I also am very wary of megachurch pastors (I used to attend one and have seen many on television)- they often seem to be some of the craziest people (Jim Jones-Want some Kool Aid?)
The funny thing about megachurches is how counter-Scriptural they run. Most of the founding churches of Christianity were small, home group type things. Very few amounted to thousands, much less tens of thousands.
And all of them were rather strictly focused on Biblical theology, rather than the 10% return rate on investing in Joel Osteen’s teeth.
Biblical theology schmeology… There is nothing more important to this world than Joel Osteen. Us Joel’s all understand our great importance to this world. Of course, Joel Osteen solely preaches on why you should give him more money- he’s more important than God! Right? Right???
joel olsteen to the best of my knowledge at first refused to take over daddy’s church until the third time he finally accepted. he operates his mega million dollar church out of a former sports arena-the astro dome? or something like it. he got his loan to purchase the sports arena from bank of america (who anyone should never bank with) for $60 million. Ironically I wish to purchase the texas country hill ranch (http://www.mccollom.com/2816.htm) for 68 million and bank of america wont loan me the money to buy the ranch but maybe if i plan to convert it into a christian kool aid drinking compound they might be more willing to give me their money. anyways i happen to enjoy olsteens self help message but it shouldnt be presented in a religious box if there is no religion inside. anyways kevin gerald’s church is now multiplying as they are one church at two locations one in bellevue(good business=$$$) and the lesser in tacoma
Haha… I can’t believe Kevin Gerald now has 2 locations. He is like a bad fast food restaurant chain- selling shoddy goods at high prices to gullible people. Joel Osteen must be his hero. Could you see Kevin Gerald pulling a Joel Osteen and buying KeyArena?!
its in the works along with the other two stadiums in seattle
I think Joel is a great pastor. He has helped me through my difficult times, when all I thought of was negative about my self and my self esteem. Who are we to judge, he makes people believe in themselves. Let the man be.
Liliana,
I understand that Joel Osteen has done good things for some people. However, it’s very important to keep in mind WHY he does it. Joel Osteen makes tens of millions of dollars off of unsuspecting, gullible and hurt people. Many people in this world do good things for others with NO recognition, NO pay, NO megachurch, nothing. Joel Osteen also is supposed to be a Christian pastor teaching primarily about the Christian God. Not doing so is a direct violation of the Christian faith. Joel Osteen has violated your, and the rest of his church’s trust by not teaching about the fundamentals of faith.
As a Christian, I say Amen. To Joel Gross, ironically.
I wounder how a true man of the cloth thinks that $360 a seat to hear the word of god is justafied.you never hear of any thang about what he does with the money. sure you pay rent on them big buildens. but do they coast all that.i have a friend who lives in pullbuilding, and can seem to get a break. how do I JUSTAFLIE that to him? I cant beleive that a message from the lord had such a high price these days. I use to watch him all the time, but now i dont even turn on th tv. that guy that does the home makeover. i bleave in him more.he is not talking like everyone esle, he is doing it, and you can see it.donations! what happen to that? i know a lot of other who feel the same way, but what does it matter , when your on top, and iam on the bottom ? i have been asking god to help this freind out.I would ask joel to pray for him , but i dont think i have that kind of money. thank you,i will just read the bible, I CAN AFFORD that. AMEN
The guy on Home Makeovers is far more believable than Joel Osteen. As you have seen from my post above, I think Joel Osteen is more or less the scum of the earth. I didn’t know that he charged $360 a seat though?! Is that true? Does Joel Osteen charge $360 a seat for his sermons?
who cares what he does with the money, its just money. I mean there is other people out there making even more money off of people with out really doing anything good for them in return. What this man is doing is amazingly positive disregards of the reason or the money. Hello!…. look at the bigger picture people.
Mike,
You are right that money is just paper, but money also represents goods and services. Joel Osteen claims to be a preacher of the Christian God, but he does not follow up on his promises. People give Joel Osteen money and he refuses to preach the unadulterated word of God. Of course, there are many pastors who do the same thing, but pastor Joel Osteen is in a highly visible position at a megachurch.
What exactly does Joel Osteen do with his money that is amazingly positive? What percentage of money donated to him goes into his pocket or to finance his personal goals, such as a television show?
Most people who make money are open when they tell you that is their goal, my problem with Pastor Joel Osteen is that he is not open about his goals and claims to be doing something he is not. What do you think?
The problem is that many churches offer both spiritual and physical returns in their community.
My church supports with both labor and finances a county wide food/provisions bank. We’re small- maybe 200 members, and manage to make a big difference in our area. Other then owning a giant stadium downtown and earning millions, how much proportional support is Joel Osteen and his church offering?
The Dalai Lama takes in a large sums of money but his message (regardless of its religious foundation) is one of amazingly positive influence. And most of that income gets funneled back to his stated cause.
Osteen is a joke, as are all of the profitability pastors.
I posted new videos above on Joel Osteen’s preaching and beliefs. Joel Osteen had a chance on national television to state his beliefs as a Christian and he wussed out. Mr. Osteen also preaches non-biblical teachings to his congregation. I strongly recommend that everyone in Joel Osteen’s congregation and television viewership to review what he preaches and compare it to the Bible and find new sources of leadership for your life.
I shudder.
No wonder people find so much fault with Christians (I am officially disqualifying Joel Osteen. Pretty sure eternal damnation is the punishment for changing Scripture. And that is in the Bible). Blech!
Yeah, Joel Osteen and I are going to be sharing the lowest level of hell… me for unspeakable crimes and Joel Osteen for being the most evil christian in history lol.
Do you even know the guy? Are you even christian? I do not think that you should talk about things that you don`t understand. God works in mysterious ways keep that in mind, he chooses some people for some jobs.
Deb- Perhaps God has chosen to work through me to try to show the world what certain men could be doing. Have you thought of that? The question raised by my post is not whether or not I am Christian, but if Joel Osteen is fraudulently claiming that he is one.
Judge not, and you shall not be judge. That is what the Bible says, at least the King James version. That same Bible says, “Touch not my anointing, do my Prophet no harm”. No one on this planet’s salvation is linked or attached to any Pastor, Preacher, Teacher, Prophet. So Joel Osteen is not responsible for ANYONE’s salvation, which is what the christian faith is based on. Jesuas taught on salvation. Joel Osteeen is responsible (like the rest of us) for completing “his” assisgnment that God gave him, just like I am responsible for my assignment in this life. If Joel is doing wrong or just wrong period…last time I checked God was not taking the time to reply to email blogs. Whether you are a Christian or not (I would never question it about you personally), so my advice to you is don’t question Joel Osteen’s faith, christianity…walk with God etc. Only in the case where God told you specifically what Joel’s “assignment” was should you hve the remote right to judge him or determine if he is doing right, and no matter what you think…you never have the right to JUDGE ANYONE. And for all those “poor gullible” people that you feel are being “taken” by these mega preachers at these mega churches…I say that no one can be taken advantage of if they focus on God and not the tools (preachers, ministers, etc) that God uses. Lastly, Joel Osteen is not the only tool (person) God uses, if Joel is misusing what God has entrusted him with…do know and believe Joel Osteen will answer to that….but he doesn’t and won’t have to answer to YOU!
I would never presume to criticize an individual’s faith, unless that individual was using his faith to manipulate thousands of other individuals into giving him more money (aka the “Prosperity Message”. The “tool” (as you call him) Joel Osteen certainly does not have to answer to me, BUT he MUST answer to his parishioners and the people who give him money. Joel Osteen also must answer to the American people since his business/church is run TAX-FREE! Joel Osteen receives all sorts of tax breaks and what is essentially government support for his church. By accepting public funds, he must also accept the scrutiny that comes with it.
It is not my place to criticize private individuals in their walk with God and belief systems, but I (and you and everyone else) has the right to criticize a public figure like Joel Osteen who puts himself in a leadership position and asks for more money in each sermon.
Also, Ron, you state in capital letters that I never have “the right” to judge anyone. Last time I looked around, I was an American with the RIGHT to freedom of speech (especially in concerns with public figures) and can judge whomever I want. You also have that right and may judge me as it seems you have done.
I appreciate your comment, because it helps me to point out some of the ignorance of people who have fallen under megachurch pastor Joel Osteen’s sway.