SUPER FUNNY UPDATE ON JOEL OSTEEN: Check out Joel Osteen’s super scammy books he sells on Amazon (24!!!) including his self help BS book
and his hilarious book on “Wise Choices”. If only he’d follow his own advice!
LOL! For all you Joel Osteen fanboys – remember he just cynically feeds on you to make money so he can live his fancy lifestyle. He couldn’t care less about you in reality.
Popular televangelist preacher Joel Osteen has been named the “Most Influential Christian in America” in 2006 by the Church Report, was one of
Barbara Walters, “10 Most Fascinating People of 2006 and operates an extraordinarily profitable religious scam operation that probably will one day end in scandal.
So who is this guy who has appeared on 60 Minutes, Larry King Live and has his own television shows?
Who is this guy who thinks he can share the mighty name of Joel?
Joel Osteen has not yet had major sex scandals, drug scandals or molestation scandals like the other megachurch pastors: Pat Robertson, Al Sharpton, Ted Haggard, Paul Barnes, D.E. (Earl) Paulk, Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker, William Dodd and too many others to possibly mention here. What Joel Osteen DOESN’T do is the real question.
In his sermons, Joel Osteen does not talk about God. Joel Osteen instead talks about almost everything except God. He has a television ministry, a massive church, $43 million a year in tithes and another $36 million a year in mailed in donations, but he won’t talk about God. He, like Pastor Kevin Gerald, talks about more pleasant topics, such as donating money to him and positive thinking. He has written two books, the second of which sold 3 million copies, but his books don’t really talk about God either. It’s just his bland and boring advice on how to live a happy life that has been thought of by other people first, “Think positively about yourself” and other such drivel.
What does Joel Osteen say when people ask him about why he does not discuss God or Jesus Christ or sin or what you need to do to go to Heaven? “That’s not my gift.” What are you doing being a freaking megachurch pastor then, bonehead?!
If you are going to try to operate a religious scam, at least make it religious! I actually think that Joel Osteen operating a secular “Christian” church is more of a scandal than Ted Haggard and his transsexual prostitutes and meth! (Though not nearly as funny of a scandal).
Joel Osteen didn’t even found his megachurch; instead the business was handed down to him by his father. When Joel Osteen became the head pastor of his church, he had only preached ONE sermon in his entire life- and that was the week before. Joel Osteen does not have any training in the Bible (seminary, degrees, etc.), which is probably why he doesn’t want to talk about it much.
My loyal readers have pointed out to me many times that the ridiculous actions of leaders in religion do not invalidate their beliefs. They are absolutely correct on this. However, there has never been anything that VALIDATES their beliefs either. The Flying Spaghetti Monster has the same amount of evidence on his side as most other gods. Here is another question I put to you: Please find me a single megachurch pastor who is NOT a scam-running, meth-eating, prostitute-abusing criminal. Anyone?
Update March 3, 2008 on JOEL OSTEEN:
Many people have been discussing Joel Osteen in the comments and making statements about his beliefs, behavior and preaching methods that show a distinct lack of understanding of his profit driven motives. Below I have added a video of Joel Osteen on Larry King Live where he dances around the core question of the Christian faith: What does it take to get to heaven? Joel Osteen hems and haws and won’t even say that people of different religions won’t make it to heaven.
The partial transcript for Joel Osteen’s interview with Larry King is below. I have basically pulled out the most pertinent excerpts to the point I have tried to make on televangelist Joel Osteen.
Televangelist Joel Osteen Discusses Christianity with Larry King
First is Larry King’s impressive introduction of Joel Osteen:
LARRY KING, CNN HOST: Tonight, Joel Osteen, evangelism’s hottest rising star, pastor for the biggest congregation in the United States… Pastor Joel Osteen is here for the hour…. Joel Osteen is the author of the number one “New York Times” best-seller, “Your Best Life Now.” There you see its cover. “Seven Steps to Living at Your Full Potential.” There is now a compendium been published called “Your Best Life Now Journal,” a guide to reaching that full potential. Joel Osteen is pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. His father before him. He has been called the smiling preacher.
Larry King knows Joel Osteen Ministries is huge and tries to play nice with him throughout the interview.
KING: Why are you a preacher?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I never was for 17 years. I worked with my dad there at the church. He tried to get me to minister. I didn’t have it in me. I worked behind the scenes. I loved doing production and things. But when my father died, I just knew — I don’t know how to explain it, it sounds kind of odd, but I just knew down to here I was supposed to step up to the plate and pastor the church. And it was odd because I had never preached before. But I just knew I was supposed to do it.
Hmmm… either God gave him the “calling” or he was scared of losing his father’s multi-million dollar preaching business.
KING: But don’t you think if people don’t believe as you believe, they’re somehow condemned?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I think that happens in our society. But I try not to do that. I tell people all the time, preached a couple Sundays about it. I’m for everybody. You may not agree with me, but to me it’s not my job to try to straighten everybody out. The Gospel called the good news. My message is a message of hope, that’s God’s for you. You can live a good life no matter what’s happened to you. And so I don’t know. I know there is condemnation but I don’t feel that’s my place.
Joel Osteen comes right out and says that he will refuse to condemn sinners. He is too afraid, it’s not his place, he just wants to spew bland niceties… hmmm.
LARRY KING: Where were you ordained? OSTEEN: I was ordained from the church there, Lakewood, under my dad’s ministry.
LARRY KING: So you didn’t go to seminary?
JOEL OSTEEN: No, sir, I didn’t.
LARRY KING: They can just make you a minister?
JOEL OSTEEN: You can, you can.
Wow. Joel Osteen never even attended Bible school or classes for future preachers. No wonder he is so clueless about Biblical theology.
LARRY KING: Is it hard to lead a Christian life?
JOEL OSTEEN: I don’t think it’s that hard. To me it’s fun. We have joy and happiness. Our family — I don’t feel like that at all. I’m not trying to follow a set of rules and stuff. I’m just living my life.
LARRY KING: But you have rules, don’t you?
JOEL OSTEEN: We do have rules. But the main rule to me is to honor God with your life. To life a life of integrity. Not be selfish. You know, help others. But that’s really the essence of the Christian faith.
Of course its not hard for Joel Osteen to lead a Christian life. BECAUSE HE’S NOT!!!
LARRY KING: What if you’re Jewish or Muslim, you don’t accept Christ at all?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I’m very careful about saying who would and wouldn’t go to heaven. I don’t know …
LARRY KING: If you believe you have to believe in Christ? They’re wrong, aren’t they?
JOEL OSTEEN: Well, I don’t know if I believe they’re wrong. I believe here’s what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God with judge a person’s heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don’t know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don’t know. I’ve seen their sincerity. So I don’t know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.
The last exchange between Larry King and Joel Osteen hits the nail on the head of everything that is wrong with the Joel Osteen Ministry. All it is is fluff. He can’t even defend the single core belief of Christianity- that a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is a requirement to gain access to Heaven.
Below is more Joel Osteen preaching videos. Joel Osteen preaches on cheesy, transparent topics that have nothing to do with the Bible. He twists scripture around to serve his own purposes of mass produced drivel. My question to Joel Osteen is where in the Bible does it say Christians have a “right to total victory” over physical pain, financial problems and other issues? Did he completely miss the book of Job or the trials and tribulations that the early Christians had to suffer under the Romans? I don’t think that Joel Osteen has ever even read the Bible.
DO NOT LET JOEL OSTEEN CONTINUE TO GET AWAY WITH HIS BIBLE-CONTRADICTING, POLITICALLY CORRECT AND PROFIT SEEKING DRIVEL! JOEL OSTEEN’S SCANDAL IS OUTRAGEOUS!
Jesus once went into a temple and threw out currency traders and salespeople…. WHO WILL THROW THE SCANDAL CREATING JOEL OSTEEN OUT OF GOD’S ASTRODOME TEMPLE?
Further discussion: Joel Osteen megachurch building – Joel Osteen paid the city of Houston $90,000,000 to remodel the former home of NBA team Houston Rockets and an additional $14,000,000 to lease the building for 30 years. Preacher Joel Osteen’s megachurch does not even own the building! Pastor Joel Osteen doesn’t care though- he’ll be dead by then and this church is all about him. The most interesting thing about the new church is that there is not a SINGLE cross in the whole building! Want to know why? Joel Osteen says that he wants to remove all “stumbling blocks” from the way of people coming to his church and being comfortable. Since when has Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross been a STUMBLING BLOCK for faith?! The scandal here is that the Joel Osteen is doing and saying blasphemous things… and no one is calling him out on it. The pastor of the largest church in America won’t even follow the basic tenets of Christianity!
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Joel Osteen is unable to even keep his own family under control. Pastor Joel Olsteen’s wife, Victoria Osteen, has been fined $3,000 and is being sued for assaulting a flight attendant on her first-class trip to the playground of the rich and famous Vail, Colorado.
Bible Verses that Condemn Megachurch Pastor Joel Osteen
I have had quite a few people post in the comments asking what does it really matter what Joel Osteen believes if he’s helping people? If Joel Osteen teaches nice things, isn’t it okay for him to be a Christian pastor? I understand that my opinions of right and wrong should not sway you, but I ask you to consider what the Bible says on the matter. First, let’s take the Bible verses that are the standard definition of who is a Christian:
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 (NIV)
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 (NIV)
For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23 (NIV)
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faithand this not from yourselves, it is the gift of Godnot by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (NIV)
To summarize, the only way to be saved and go to heaven is by the grace of Jesus and by faith in God. These are the basic verses that every Christian who has accepted Christ knows. Now for the verses that clearly state that only Christians who believe the above will go to Heaven:
-John 3:3: no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.
-John 3:15: everyone who believes in him [Jesus] may have eternal life.
-John 3:18: whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of Gods one and only Son.
-John 14:6: Jesus answered: No one comes to the Father except through me
-Acts 3:23: And it shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people. (ASV)
-Acts 4:12: Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved
-Romans 10:9: Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved
-Hebrews 9:28: he [Christ] will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him
-1 John 5:12: he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
The nine quoted verses above clearly state that only Christians can go to Heaven. Now, if Joel Osteen truly believed and was a pastor of a Bible-based church, would he preach a false message of hope to people? Joel Osteen is essentially subverting the word of God, which motivated me to write this post. I am not sure why Joel would do this, but my postulation (as above) is that he is doing it for financial gain. Joel Osteens father was a pastor and he has been a pastor for a long time now and he should know better than most people the MOST basic tenets of Christianity. Ignorance is an excuse for new Christians (as long as they work at it), but not for a shepherd of the flock.
Do you know what the Bible says about false teachers like Joel Osteen?
-2 Timothy 4:3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.
-Matthew 7:15,16 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits.
-Acts 20:29-31 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves . Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.
-2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
-2 Peter 3:16,17 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
-Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
-Hebrews 13:9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.
The Bible is very, very harsh in its condemnation of people who change, twist or leave out parts of its doctrine. False leaders (Joel Osteen), to me, are more disgusting than someone who is a hypocrite (Ted Haggard).
For more information on mega church pastor Joel Osteen you can search Google with the terms joelosteen.com or joel osteen.com to find the man’s website. You could also use terms such as Joel Osteen Website or Joel Osteen Lakewood Church for other sorts of information on him.
Why do I care what Joel Osteen does or doesnt do in his church, especially seeing that I am not religious? People who are cheats, fakes, and phonies really bother me. I have written quite a few other posts on various community leaders who lead people astray for their own personal gain. My tax dollars go to support Joel Osteen (every church in America is exempt from taxes, but Joel Osteen is making millions tax-free teaching his Prosperity Message when he is basically just another self-help guru). I also am very wary of megachurch pastors (I used to attend one and have seen many on television)- they often seem to be some of the craziest people (Jim Jones-Want some Kool Aid?)
FIRST OFF ITS A OUT RAGE PATORS ARE JUDGEING HIM. ARE THEY GOD! NO THERE NOT! REMEMBER THAT. JOELOSTEEN IS BLESS FROM ARE FATHER IN HEAVEN. HE BLESS US IN DIFFERENT WAYS . THAT WE COULD HANDLE. BY SAY ANYTHING ABOUT JOEL JUST MEENS YOUR ON THE WRONG SIDE! ANY ONE WHO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HIM IS WRONG! ONLY ONE PERSON IS THE JUDGE AND THATS GOD! FROM WHAT IVE SEEN AND HEARD FROM ALL THESE PATORS IS SAD. I SEE THE DEVIL COMMING OUT IN THEM. SO YOU BETTER THINK REAL HARD IN WHAT YOU SAY AND DO BEFORE YOU DO IT! THATS ARE BROTHER BE HAPPY FOR WHAT HE IS DOING!JEALOUSY IS NOT WORK FROM GOD!!!!!!!!!!!
I THINK YOU ARE EXTREMELY JEALOUS AND YOU ARE TRYING WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT TO TEAR DOWN A MAN WHO IS BLEMISH FREE. YOU ARE JEALOUS OF HIS SUCCESS AND YOU ARE CLOSE MINDED. I AM A CATHOLIC BUT LET ME TELL YOU THIS, I LOVE JOEL OSTEEN! I FEEL THE HOLY SPIRIT IN EVERYTHING HE SAYS. HE BREAKES THE BIBLE DOWN INTO LIFE LESSONS THAT PEOPLE CAN USE LIKE WEAPONS IN A WORLD THAT TRYIES WITH ALL ITS MIGHT TO STEAL OUR JOY AND SANITY. JOEL OSTEEN BRINGS HUMANITY TOGETHER IN THE NAME OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST! IF YOU CAN’T FEEL THE TRUTH AND THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN EVERYTHING HE PREACHES THEN YOU DON’T KNOW GOD! YOU DON’T KNOW LOVE AND YOU DON’T KNOW CHRIST! MAY YOUR WICKEDNESS CONSUME YOU AND MAY ANGELS SURROUND JOEL OSTEEN ALWAYS PROTECTING HIM FROM EVIL LIKE YOU PEOPLE!!!!!!!!
Joel Olsteen is one of our favorite pastors, and any trangressions which have occured most likely stem from him being human. Try not to judge! WWJD~x2 would would Jesus do & and what would joel do?
I assume both would forgive you and pray for you to have peace!
Take care my brother, we love you!
I NEED TO APPOLOGIZE FOR THE COMMENT I WROTE. I WAS ANGRY BECAUSE AN ATTACK ON JOEL OSTEEN IS LIKE AN ATTACK ON A MEMBER OF MY FAMILY. I DID NOT MEAN TO SAY I HOPE YOUR EVIL CONSUMES YOU. I WOULD NOT BE FOLLOWING JOEL OSTEEN’S EXAMPLE IF I SAID THAT. INSTEAD I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I LOVE YOU AND I PRAY FOR YOU! I THINK YOU ARE A GOOD PERSON AND I SEE THE GOOD IN YOU. I AM HOPEFULL THAT GOD IS SURROUNDING YOU WITH ANGELS AND MELTING YOUR HEART WITH ALL THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT! I KNOW GOD IS GOING TO LET YOU SEE IN JOEL OSTEEN WHAT THE WORLD SEES IN JOEL OSTEEN. I’M CALLING IT BY FAITH!! GOD BLESS YOU MY BROTHER AND MY GOD ALWAYS WATCH OVER YOU!!!
JUST A LITTLE TYPE-O BUT I MENT, “MAY GOD ALWAYS WATCH OVER YOU” FROM MY PREVIOUS COMMENT…….
David- I appreciate the apology. Also, in electronic communications typing in all CAPS is considered to be shouting.
I think your observations are noteworthy and soundly supported by scripture!
My life has been strongly influenced by Joel Osteen. When I see him preach about how God loves us and redeemed us from our sins, it just brings tears to my eyes. I know what I felt is real and I really do not see anything wrong with what he is saying about faith and discovering your God-given calling. I do not appreciate any negative things said about the man, because to be honest, I have never been this motivated to practice my faith and to lean more on God and offer him my whole life. I think I became this because of Joel’s wonderful teaching. He may have a different way (motivational) to encourage others to be closer to the Lord, but I have to say he is effective at introducing people to their faith.
I moved to Houston in Sept of 2006. I started attending Lakewood in Nov of that year. That church saved my life/Joel Osteen saved my life. I think everyone has right to there opinion, that is why there are different religions/preachers etc so that we all may follow our heart and choose who fits us. I will agree that Pastor Joel does not preach word for word scripture in his sermons BUT it’s what he does preach that saves life. He is a good man, if you met him and went to his church on a regular basis (as I do) you would see the good he is doing! I don’t know why anyone would write such mean, horrbile things about someone they don’t even know. Is that not a sin??????? I think YES is the correct answer to that question at Lakewood or any other church/from any other preacher for the matter. I’m not saying you don’t have a right to your opinion, you do, you should just do to a church that suites you. May God Bless you!
This website about Joel Osteen is a lie, i have heard him preach the truth, theres always going to people that will try and attack gods word, joel is annointed, god have mercy on those who judge him, he preaches not to judge and here people are judging him, you people have no right judging him the bible say not to judge your breathern joel doesnt do it so why are some of you all judging him, you people that are judging joel contradict yourselves, you speak of how joel is condemed for not speaking the truth of the word of god but some of you judge him and point fingers, if joel is so bad of a person then wouldnt judging him make you all people people to
This is dishonest information on this page! Joel Olsteen talks about God and Jesus all the time! Any weapons formed against Joel Olsteen will not proper in Jesus name!
Why would you try and degrade someone that has helped so many? We will pray for you to find the Lord in your life. Don’t resist, join the fight. Joel NEVER dances around God topics. The stuff you quoted contridicts everything you claim.
TV Megachurches and pastors “usually” use donations money to built churches, well teaching you how to become weathly, the bible also teach you its not very GOOD to be RICH. Its good to work hard for your money(for example, minimum wage or middle class jobs).
I actually don’t know about joel that much, but i’m just warning you about tv pastors and christians sellers in general.
i’ve met joel personally, and Pastor Kevin Gerald is indeed my very own pastor. both are incredibly respectable men. it’d be nice if the people that are being extremly critical about this situation would attend church once in a while instead of being what Champions Centre likes to call CEO christians (christmas and easter only.) i mean, pardon them they’re prospering. why is it ok for dentist and lawyers to have an abundant amount of money but when someone (as in a pastor) has money, the whole world freaks? aren’t they allowed to be blessed? i mean after all, they are doing exactly what the Bible says, bringing people close to God. so what if they have money. they’ve earned it. people need to understand while they are sitting there spectating the Church, millions of peoples’ lives are being changed with the help of the so-called “selfish” “megachurch” Pastors. get to know they’re hearts. then you tell me, is Joel and Kevin so bad?
Great arguments. Shoot me an email. For years I’ve been wanting to put together some sort of expose, dedicated Web site or possibly even a book on this type of tax-free FRAUD! My fiancee’s father spotted Joel pulling out of the parking lot in Houston a couple of months ago in his brand new Lamborghini droptop. Damn, I’m in the wrong business!
Let me know if you would like to work with me on putting something together buddy. Once again, great article.
TDW, JD, MPH
Joel does not charge admission at his church. When he traveled close to my home the tickets were $10. He brought his family with him too which really touched my heart. He also brought his praise team! It was awesome! I have read a lot of comments about what Joel doesn’t believe or preach, but I completely understand his reasoning behind it, especially not putting down other religions. It has a lot to do with sharing the good news with these people along with everyone else. You can’t exactly witness to someone whose religion you have put down or have said that they are going to hell because of what they believe or don’t believe. Knowledge consists of wisdom AND understanding! If Joel didn’t believe in Jesus and the great salvation that comes from Christ, he probably wouldn’t say a prayer at the end of his sermon asking Jesus to come into our hearts. Do you think? The most simple way I have explained this to others is that Joel’s calling in my opinion is to give the milky or watered-down version of the Gospel. Also, I was watching another television preacher one day, and at the end of his show he made a comment about how he received a check from Joel Osteen. He called Joel and asked him why he had sent him a check. Joel said that at his church he tells everyone to fill out a card with their tithe if another preacher or ministry has touched their life to let him know and to put how much of their tithe they want Joel to send to them. The preacher went on to comment on what a nice fat check he had received from Joel Osteen Ministries! Who knew? lol One more thing, Christians live by faith not by law. As a Christian I now know that I will never appear perfect to other people, but I thank God I don’t have to. God sees me through the blood of Christ! God is so awesome! Thank you for taking time to read my comments. God bless you all!
I would like to invite anyone to send your prayer requests to New Christian Ministries, PO Box 25, Marbury, AL 36051. Below is the first paper I wrote after receiving Christ as my Lord and Savior:
FEARS OF BECOMING A CHRISTIAN!
Being a “new†Christian, I know all too well about fear. I only fear not pleasing God now. God knows everything I have done and everything I am going to do and he has already forgiven me for it all with the blood of Christ. John 3:16 Here is a list of the fears I had:
o Afraid of giving up things I enjoy doing.
o Afraid of committing to going to church.
o Afraid of praying.
o Afraid of being baptized in front of everyone.
o Afraid of being asked to testify to other people.
o I don’t understand the Bible.
o I don’t want to go on missions if I did have the time.
o Afraid of not sticking with it like everything else I’ve started.
o Tithing—I’m broke and don’t need another bill.
o I don’t want people coming to my house all the time to preach to me.
o I don’t want to be criticized by myself or others for being a hypocrite.
o I don’t know how to put God first and don’t know that I would want to if I did know.
These are very legitimate fears that I had before receiving my free gift from God. What is that? Jesus Christ—Thank you God. You do not have to do anything but invite Him in. That pounding in your heart is Jesus knocking. If you are already a Christian, I think you can still feel him knocking on everyone else’s heart. Revelation 3:20
I originally intended to add a prayer for you to say, but I am not going to because if you are like me it wouldn’t help anyway. I had read the same prayer over and over without meaning. Jesus came into my heart when I repeated a prayer after someone on television. Romans 10:9-10
I am not perfect by any means and I will always make mistakes. I am a work in progress and always will be. I am not proud to be a Christian—I am grateful! John 14:6
NO FEAR:
 I have not given up anything I enjoy.
 I can hardly wait to get to go back to church.
 I talk with God daily.
 I want everyone to come to my baptism on March 16.
 I am so anxious to testify to anyone who will listen.
 I can’t get enough of the Bible.
 I can hardly wait to go on my first mission next week.
 The thought of losing this relationship with God makes me nauseated.
 I want to give everything I can.
 I actually enjoy company now and the chance to talk about God.
 God loves me; who cares what anybody else thinks.
 If it were not for God, I would not have anybody or anything.
May God bless you and your life in every way imaginable? What do you have to lose? You have eternity to gain! Romans 6:23
If you enjoyed this and would like to read more, please let me know! Thanks and God bless you!
Thank you for your contributions Starla. I appreciate your two well-thought out comments.
I agree with you totally. I believe he and many others have absolutely corrupted God’s message. Pastors are becoming great lawyers, making the Bible say what they want it to. It doesn’t work that way. We must learn to follow God not vice-versa. Watched your video of Joel preaching. Be careful! You took a few verses out of context also. This is not better than the others. Thanks for exposing the false prophet.