SUPER FUNNY UPDATE ON JOEL OSTEEN: Check out Joel Osteen’s super scammy books he sells on Amazon (24!!!) including his self help BS book
and his hilarious book on “Wise Choices”. If only he’d follow his own advice!
LOL! For all you Joel Osteen fanboys – remember he just cynically feeds on you to make money so he can live his fancy lifestyle. He couldn’t care less about you in reality.
Popular televangelist preacher Joel Osteen has been named the “Most Influential Christian in America” in 2006 by the Church Report, was one of
Barbara Walters, “10 Most Fascinating People of 2006 and operates an extraordinarily profitable religious scam operation that probably will one day end in scandal.
So who is this guy who has appeared on 60 Minutes, Larry King Live and has his own television shows?
Who is this guy who thinks he can share the mighty name of Joel?
Joel Osteen has not yet had major sex scandals, drug scandals or molestation scandals like the other megachurch pastors: Pat Robertson, Al Sharpton, Ted Haggard, Paul Barnes, D.E. (Earl) Paulk, Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker, William Dodd and too many others to possibly mention here. What Joel Osteen DOESN’T do is the real question.
In his sermons, Joel Osteen does not talk about God. Joel Osteen instead talks about almost everything except God. He has a television ministry, a massive church, $43 million a year in tithes and another $36 million a year in mailed in donations, but he won’t talk about God. He, like Pastor Kevin Gerald, talks about more pleasant topics, such as donating money to him and positive thinking. He has written two books, the second of which sold 3 million copies, but his books don’t really talk about God either. It’s just his bland and boring advice on how to live a happy life that has been thought of by other people first, “Think positively about yourself” and other such drivel.
What does Joel Osteen say when people ask him about why he does not discuss God or Jesus Christ or sin or what you need to do to go to Heaven? “That’s not my gift.” What are you doing being a freaking megachurch pastor then, bonehead?!
If you are going to try to operate a religious scam, at least make it religious! I actually think that Joel Osteen operating a secular “Christian” church is more of a scandal than Ted Haggard and his transsexual prostitutes and meth! (Though not nearly as funny of a scandal).
Joel Osteen didn’t even found his megachurch; instead the business was handed down to him by his father. When Joel Osteen became the head pastor of his church, he had only preached ONE sermon in his entire life- and that was the week before. Joel Osteen does not have any training in the Bible (seminary, degrees, etc.), which is probably why he doesn’t want to talk about it much.
My loyal readers have pointed out to me many times that the ridiculous actions of leaders in religion do not invalidate their beliefs. They are absolutely correct on this. However, there has never been anything that VALIDATES their beliefs either. The Flying Spaghetti Monster has the same amount of evidence on his side as most other gods. Here is another question I put to you: Please find me a single megachurch pastor who is NOT a scam-running, meth-eating, prostitute-abusing criminal. Anyone?
Update March 3, 2008 on JOEL OSTEEN:
Many people have been discussing Joel Osteen in the comments and making statements about his beliefs, behavior and preaching methods that show a distinct lack of understanding of his profit driven motives. Below I have added a video of Joel Osteen on Larry King Live where he dances around the core question of the Christian faith: What does it take to get to heaven? Joel Osteen hems and haws and won’t even say that people of different religions won’t make it to heaven.
The partial transcript for Joel Osteen’s interview with Larry King is below. I have basically pulled out the most pertinent excerpts to the point I have tried to make on televangelist Joel Osteen.
Televangelist Joel Osteen Discusses Christianity with Larry King
First is Larry King’s impressive introduction of Joel Osteen:
LARRY KING, CNN HOST: Tonight, Joel Osteen, evangelism’s hottest rising star, pastor for the biggest congregation in the United States… Pastor Joel Osteen is here for the hour…. Joel Osteen is the author of the number one “New York Times” best-seller, “Your Best Life Now.” There you see its cover. “Seven Steps to Living at Your Full Potential.” There is now a compendium been published called “Your Best Life Now Journal,” a guide to reaching that full potential. Joel Osteen is pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. His father before him. He has been called the smiling preacher.
Larry King knows Joel Osteen Ministries is huge and tries to play nice with him throughout the interview.
KING: Why are you a preacher?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I never was for 17 years. I worked with my dad there at the church. He tried to get me to minister. I didn’t have it in me. I worked behind the scenes. I loved doing production and things. But when my father died, I just knew — I don’t know how to explain it, it sounds kind of odd, but I just knew down to here I was supposed to step up to the plate and pastor the church. And it was odd because I had never preached before. But I just knew I was supposed to do it.
Hmmm… either God gave him the “calling” or he was scared of losing his father’s multi-million dollar preaching business.
KING: But don’t you think if people don’t believe as you believe, they’re somehow condemned?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I think that happens in our society. But I try not to do that. I tell people all the time, preached a couple Sundays about it. I’m for everybody. You may not agree with me, but to me it’s not my job to try to straighten everybody out. The Gospel called the good news. My message is a message of hope, that’s God’s for you. You can live a good life no matter what’s happened to you. And so I don’t know. I know there is condemnation but I don’t feel that’s my place.
Joel Osteen comes right out and says that he will refuse to condemn sinners. He is too afraid, it’s not his place, he just wants to spew bland niceties… hmmm.
LARRY KING: Where were you ordained? OSTEEN: I was ordained from the church there, Lakewood, under my dad’s ministry.
LARRY KING: So you didn’t go to seminary?
JOEL OSTEEN: No, sir, I didn’t.
LARRY KING: They can just make you a minister?
JOEL OSTEEN: You can, you can.
Wow. Joel Osteen never even attended Bible school or classes for future preachers. No wonder he is so clueless about Biblical theology.
LARRY KING: Is it hard to lead a Christian life?
JOEL OSTEEN: I don’t think it’s that hard. To me it’s fun. We have joy and happiness. Our family — I don’t feel like that at all. I’m not trying to follow a set of rules and stuff. I’m just living my life.
LARRY KING: But you have rules, don’t you?
JOEL OSTEEN: We do have rules. But the main rule to me is to honor God with your life. To life a life of integrity. Not be selfish. You know, help others. But that’s really the essence of the Christian faith.
Of course its not hard for Joel Osteen to lead a Christian life. BECAUSE HE’S NOT!!!
LARRY KING: What if you’re Jewish or Muslim, you don’t accept Christ at all?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I’m very careful about saying who would and wouldn’t go to heaven. I don’t know …
LARRY KING: If you believe you have to believe in Christ? They’re wrong, aren’t they?
JOEL OSTEEN: Well, I don’t know if I believe they’re wrong. I believe here’s what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God with judge a person’s heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don’t know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don’t know. I’ve seen their sincerity. So I don’t know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.
The last exchange between Larry King and Joel Osteen hits the nail on the head of everything that is wrong with the Joel Osteen Ministry. All it is is fluff. He can’t even defend the single core belief of Christianity- that a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is a requirement to gain access to Heaven.
Below is more Joel Osteen preaching videos. Joel Osteen preaches on cheesy, transparent topics that have nothing to do with the Bible. He twists scripture around to serve his own purposes of mass produced drivel. My question to Joel Osteen is where in the Bible does it say Christians have a “right to total victory” over physical pain, financial problems and other issues? Did he completely miss the book of Job or the trials and tribulations that the early Christians had to suffer under the Romans? I don’t think that Joel Osteen has ever even read the Bible.
DO NOT LET JOEL OSTEEN CONTINUE TO GET AWAY WITH HIS BIBLE-CONTRADICTING, POLITICALLY CORRECT AND PROFIT SEEKING DRIVEL! JOEL OSTEEN’S SCANDAL IS OUTRAGEOUS!
Jesus once went into a temple and threw out currency traders and salespeople…. WHO WILL THROW THE SCANDAL CREATING JOEL OSTEEN OUT OF GOD’S ASTRODOME TEMPLE?
Further discussion: Joel Osteen megachurch building – Joel Osteen paid the city of Houston $90,000,000 to remodel the former home of NBA team Houston Rockets and an additional $14,000,000 to lease the building for 30 years. Preacher Joel Osteen’s megachurch does not even own the building! Pastor Joel Osteen doesn’t care though- he’ll be dead by then and this church is all about him. The most interesting thing about the new church is that there is not a SINGLE cross in the whole building! Want to know why? Joel Osteen says that he wants to remove all “stumbling blocks” from the way of people coming to his church and being comfortable. Since when has Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross been a STUMBLING BLOCK for faith?! The scandal here is that the Joel Osteen is doing and saying blasphemous things… and no one is calling him out on it. The pastor of the largest church in America won’t even follow the basic tenets of Christianity!
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Joel Osteen is unable to even keep his own family under control. Pastor Joel Olsteen’s wife, Victoria Osteen, has been fined $3,000 and is being sued for assaulting a flight attendant on her first-class trip to the playground of the rich and famous Vail, Colorado.
Bible Verses that Condemn Megachurch Pastor Joel Osteen
I have had quite a few people post in the comments asking what does it really matter what Joel Osteen believes if he’s helping people? If Joel Osteen teaches nice things, isn’t it okay for him to be a Christian pastor? I understand that my opinions of right and wrong should not sway you, but I ask you to consider what the Bible says on the matter. First, let’s take the Bible verses that are the standard definition of who is a Christian:
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 (NIV)
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 (NIV)
For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23 (NIV)
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faithand this not from yourselves, it is the gift of Godnot by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (NIV)
To summarize, the only way to be saved and go to heaven is by the grace of Jesus and by faith in God. These are the basic verses that every Christian who has accepted Christ knows. Now for the verses that clearly state that only Christians who believe the above will go to Heaven:
-John 3:3: no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.
-John 3:15: everyone who believes in him [Jesus] may have eternal life.
-John 3:18: whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of Gods one and only Son.
-John 14:6: Jesus answered: No one comes to the Father except through me
-Acts 3:23: And it shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people. (ASV)
-Acts 4:12: Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved
-Romans 10:9: Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved
-Hebrews 9:28: he [Christ] will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him
-1 John 5:12: he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
The nine quoted verses above clearly state that only Christians can go to Heaven. Now, if Joel Osteen truly believed and was a pastor of a Bible-based church, would he preach a false message of hope to people? Joel Osteen is essentially subverting the word of God, which motivated me to write this post. I am not sure why Joel would do this, but my postulation (as above) is that he is doing it for financial gain. Joel Osteens father was a pastor and he has been a pastor for a long time now and he should know better than most people the MOST basic tenets of Christianity. Ignorance is an excuse for new Christians (as long as they work at it), but not for a shepherd of the flock.
Do you know what the Bible says about false teachers like Joel Osteen?
-2 Timothy 4:3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.
-Matthew 7:15,16 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits.
-Acts 20:29-31 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves . Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.
-2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
-2 Peter 3:16,17 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
-Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
-Hebrews 13:9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.
The Bible is very, very harsh in its condemnation of people who change, twist or leave out parts of its doctrine. False leaders (Joel Osteen), to me, are more disgusting than someone who is a hypocrite (Ted Haggard).
For more information on mega church pastor Joel Osteen you can search Google with the terms joelosteen.com or joel osteen.com to find the man’s website. You could also use terms such as Joel Osteen Website or Joel Osteen Lakewood Church for other sorts of information on him.
Why do I care what Joel Osteen does or doesnt do in his church, especially seeing that I am not religious? People who are cheats, fakes, and phonies really bother me. I have written quite a few other posts on various community leaders who lead people astray for their own personal gain. My tax dollars go to support Joel Osteen (every church in America is exempt from taxes, but Joel Osteen is making millions tax-free teaching his Prosperity Message when he is basically just another self-help guru). I also am very wary of megachurch pastors (I used to attend one and have seen many on television)- they often seem to be some of the craziest people (Jim Jones-Want some Kool Aid?)
Sonny you are telling them the truth, Terron just can`t read. first he talks about how much Joels house cost, and said he would like to live there, then he said he did`nt say that,then he said he did say that, then he said he was kidding, then he boast and says he has his own and don`t need Joels.I think it`s like you said about Keneth Copeland, Terron has more hang ups than a dry cleaners, that was funny, i`m gona have to remember that one. I saw Keneth Copeland claiming to be laughing in tounges, i believe they called it dueling tongue, because he was doing it with someone else, i mean, how insane is that? i know the gift of tounges is real because its mentioned in the Book of acts, but it don`t work the way he does it. so you wonder when terron is telling the truth, or better yet if he even knows the truth.
O i also saw Copeland claiming to be laughing in tounges with someone, they called it holy laughter, how insane, and People really believe this guy. also terron, when you boasted about having your own things, things like joel has, that was bible wise wrong, at least joel don`t boast about the thing`s he has, i will say that for him, even though i don`t believe his doctrine is sound. you said joels home cost 1.2 million dollars, how do you know terron? i never heard him say how much he paid for it, do you keep the deed to his home for him?
well i take that back, i was watching once just to see what joel would say, and he did say something to the effect about his wife victoria finding this big home, but i don`t remember if he said what it cost, but if it cost a trillion dollars, don`t be jealous terron,because that`s wrong to.
Joel, the host of this blog that is, do you know of a reappearance on Larry king where Joel Osteen cleared up what he said back in june 2005? when he said he did`nt know if he would say people were wrong for not believing in Christ. if you do please tell me where i can find it on the web.
TO EVERYONE, LET ME SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT…”Play Misty” if your a christian, u not acting like one…cute little hang ups joke??? Very mature. Im gonna do what joel says and soar like an eagle and don’t peck around with the chixens..remember, chixens can’t soar at the altitude an eagle can…just keep that in mind..
Do I know the truth..MOST DEFINITLY! I also know that people like “play misty” will come and disceive people from hearing the truth…the truth that joel preaches…jealous of joel?? Never! I am happy for him and their church…I can’t wait until the get the reliance stadium so they can get even more people inside and get saved and get their lives changed….I have nothing to get jealous..I wasn’t boasting…I was stating facts…When I look at joel, we both serve the same god so I know god can bless me in the same way…how do I know how much his house cost??? first of all, its in his first book, secondly, the media talks about it so much becuase they they pastors shouldn’t have such a big house…like benny hinn moved from a 1million to a 10million dollar house..how do i know that…the media…and fyi, joel does boast about his things, he just does it in a way thats looks “humble.” listen more intently to his messages…
“play misty” i love how you are riping on men of god. myself, joel, copeland…im starting to think ur not a christian or maybe ur a former christian trying to tare down anything thats good..hey, heres a challedge for you “misty”, how about u reveal ur real name, like i have, and u tell me what ur doing so grand for god..oh n it wont be boasting…just say it in a “humble” way like joel does…
additionally, i noticed u said u no “tongues” are real because the bible says so..hmmm…u must not be a good witness..when people ask me how i know god exists, my answer has NEVER been ONLY, “well, the bible says so and my parents told me”,…my parents also told me santa and the tooth feary exists…so im thinking u havent experience the gift of tongues, or god for urself…ur very critical and are horrible at providing facts…those two videos…ohhhhhhhhh thats the red flag on joel…whatever
so “play misty” since u love to critizize, i put u on trial a little bit…lets see wat u have to say…as far as when im telling the truth…always and if i know the truth…yes i do…i also know that people like me, joel, copeland, we know that we will be persecuted just because were followers of christ..the bible clearly states that…”play misty” is definitly one of them…i have read through play mistys blogs and its negative, negative, negative. No wonder u dont like joel. Hes positive. You can’t live in victory if your negative misty. He ill be praying for ya becuase u appartmently dont watch joel or kc very much and appartmently dont read my blogs well.
I disagree with everything. He is merely spreading the word of God and doing a wonderful service. He does inspire and in all the presentations that I have seen, he has never asked for money. He doesn’t need to be a ordained “Pastor” or “Minister” to spread God’s word.
What is wrong with you? Maybe you should tune into Joel’s service on Sunday. It is very motivating and true to God, in which, is our purpose.
Thanks for your time.
What is a chixens? is that some kind of super bird? i`m from the south and i`ve heard of chickens, but i`ll swear i`ve never heard of them there chixens, i`m gona try to locate one tomorrow and fry that dude up and see if they taste like chicken, by the way terron, where can i find one of them chixens? also if you believe what Kenneth copeland says, he said Jesus has a hand that is nine inches wide,stands somewhere around 6 ft.2 in. and weighs about 210 lbs. that`s why i said he has more hang ups than a dry cleaners, you said something about santa claus and you disbelief in him, well if you believe what copeland and hin says, why not give santa a try, he`s probably more accurate than copeland and hin, also if you believe them,i have some land in the sahara desert to sell you, and o did i mention the fishing is great there? you said i said that tounges are real because it`s mentioned in the Bible, well that is how i know they are real, acts 2-38. i did`nt say i had the gift though, then you went off on some tangen, saying i know God is real and it`s not because the Bible says he is, i was`nt even talking about God, i was talking about the gift of tounges, i think you have your facts mixed up with your chixens terron. you said you think i`m not a christian for exposing copeland and hin, wrong again, that is why i`m a believer because i don`t follow their lies and false prophecy statements they give that never come to pass. you said you was`nt jealous of joels home because you had your own, well why don`t you tell all of us what yours cost, maybe joel will see it and congradulate you. i did`nt mean to make you mad terron, i can just see the enamel dust flying off of your teeth, stay away from copeland and hins teaching and you will be light years ahead of them terron.
Ms walker maybe we should`nt tune in either, why would you want to tune in and listen to someone who was ashamed or afraid to confess JESUS on Larry King, i mean he just says over and over again, well you know i just don`t know, well you know i`m very careful about answering your question, well you know i don`t know if i believe that or not. well everybody knows when they are doing wrong, i mean give me a break, you mean you are inspired by someone who says they are a preacher, but has no answer for anything concerning the faith, don`t seem like it takes much to inspire you, terron said he went on Larry king again, i`ve been all over the webb and i did`nt see it, terron said it was taken off the webb, funny the original airing is still there, maybe he got his webb facts mixed up with his chixens.
Ms walker i can tell you things that will make you feel good and inspire you also, here we go, GOD loves you so much that he made his son JESUS become sin for the world, so that we could be saved, the street of heaven is as transparent gold, you notice i said the street, most preachers say the streets, whitch is a plural meaning more than one, but it says in revelations,the street, a singular, meaning only one, now that one street could be a trillion light years long, a light year is the speed that light travels, light travels 186.000 miles per second, so if the street was a trillion light years long, it would take a trillion years to reach the end of GODS street, ain`t that right terron. so see how all these things inspire you and terron, and make you feel good, and i`m not even a preacher. we could go on and on making you and terron feel good, heres you a good BIBLE verse, and the last enemy to go under GODS foot will be death, he will do away with death, and there shall be no more pain and crying, for GOD shall wipe away every tear, see how good that makes us feel, and by the way, thats in the BIBLE, if you don`t believe it ask terron.
Your right sonny, ask me b/c i have knowledge. w/o it, people perish…so sonny and misty, to avoid perishing, might want to get in your bible a tad bit more. joels messages will help help u as well…i love how missty avoided each and everyone of my questions..u sounded like a poor old politician…i tested u misty, i gave u a clear chance to state u were a christian n u didnt so u answered my question…once again, the bible talks about whe prophets will come n led people from the truth…misty and sonny is doing exactly that…Joel and lakewood is a bible base church…as far a copeland goes…ill plead the 5th..lol…yes, lol…that means im joking…since everyone takes everything so serious…copeland has his own way of preaching..as far as benny hinn goes…well thats another story…i personllay like his shows guest..but i do question some of the things he does, like pushing people down on his show to make it look like the holy spirit hit them…and his “healings” i think to date still has not been proven..lol..so benny hinn is a mistery…”chixens is chickens..im just to lazy to spell the word out…lol
misty, your job is not to point out every ones fault…who made u judge? r u perfect? i wish i personllay new u so i can point out ur flaws and see how it makes u feel? is joel perfect? no, but god has chosen him, yep thats right, GOD, the one u “claim” to serve, has chosen joel n co. to lead this generation at this perticular time in history.
additionally, the bible talks about certian gifts..some to be teachers, pastors, evang…etc…well joels gift isn’t td jakes…if joel were to do that he would make a fool of himself…as far as condeming in his messages, i have heard pletny of things in his messages that condem people…misty and sonny, get used to it, because it is only going to get better for joel and lakewood…
TO Ms. Walker I agree with u. The great commission does NOT say, “only ordained ministrer and pastors go in to the world and preach the gospel” no its a command for every follower of christ to go into the world to preach the gospel. Let me tell ya, god uses ordinary people to do extraordianry things…god is not limited by our lack of education, money or “ordination”…im not knocking on ordination or degrees but i would take someone thats actually “called” by god rather that someone who can flash a degree around..let me tell ya, not everyone in semanary is called by god to pastor…most of them just want to be one..and thats not a bad thing but a true calling by god is important…just look at joel…no experience, no training, no “ordiantion” just a true calling by god…u think its a coindence his father died the week after joel preached his first sermon..no…john had finished his course here on this earth serviing the lord for over 60 years with sweet dodie and its now joels turn to carry on what his father started of course with the lords help…there is a reason god has given lakewood what they have today…churches need to look at why lakewoods making a difference and why their not…don’t look at lakewoods size…look at how many lives their changing, relationships their restoring and people their bringing to christ in that size…its mezmorizing…
JOEL OSTEEN FOR PRESIDENT 2012
I saw where the terron guy said copeland had his on way of preaching, the poor guy finally said something that made sence, copeland sure does have his way, it`s called nonsence, anyone who would say, and i quote…..he said he measured the heavens with a span, now a span is nine inches,a span is the distance from your little finger to your thumb, well i got out the ruler and measured mine and it is 8 and three quarter inches, ole kenny boys is almost as big as Gods, according to that. td jakes denys the trinity, the triune Godhead, so i would`nt even mention jakes, except to offer up prayer for him, boy that misty can sure wind your clock to tight terron,can`t she? terron are you self taught?, or did joel teach you or what, the reason i ask is because you say some thing`s that make you look dumb, like one post i read where you were really getting into joels house and stuff,you said you had your own, usually people who try to keep up with the big boys, live in an appartment or house trailer, just a thought, don`t get mad.
wow yall still carrying on the debate, look`s like poor ole tyrone is getting the worst of it,i say that in love. but i still wish joel would open the service telling people that they have to believe in Jesus to be saved. don`t be ashamed or scared joel, just tell it like it is, say, yes you have to believe in CHRIST to be saved.
I LOVE JOEL OSTEEN BECAUSE HE IS THE SMARTEST GOD ALIVE AND HE TOLD ME TO PRAY FOR A NEW CAR AND GUESS WHAT LOSER???? I GOT A NEW CAR GOD IS THE BEST
I am guessing elzibeth is new to this “debate”…The joel reference was a complete joke and i don’t need to “keep up” with anybody..im terron, i run my own race..i dont need to compare myself to joel or anyone for that matter…the “i already have it” was stated because misty or someone said i was jealous b/c i didnt havent….i say things that make me look dumb? ur comment about keeping up with the big boys live in appartment or house trailer? hmmm…yea, thats not dumb at all. i noticed ur post at around 5ish so i will forgive your ignorance. next time read clearly what i wrote…
as for as me getting the heat, hey im a joel supporter….it was gonna happen,…u must be a joel hater too b/c u probably only watched him ONCE and thought he was a robert tilton prospertity preacher. Once again, their is nothing wrong with joel…as far as jakes goes, well he is a dynamic preacher say what u want and his choir is bad…meaning good…lol….
to multrain…joel does say that in his services…watch joel on daystar, the full hour, unedited version and u will see that he says jesus is the way truth and the light….
As far as this whole blog goes, is completley lame. We are debating on what joel should and shouldn’t do and say while nothing is being accomplhised. Joel preaches the bible and does a great job at it by the way.
The Reverend Wright is an ordianed Minister, is he not? He gets tax breaks and all that. Are you suggesting that because he talks about Jesus and God and all those biblical things…that he is a good example of a Christian Pastor?
tyrone flemming, JESUS did`nt say i am the way the truth and the light, he said i am the way the truth and the life, not light, pay attention tyrone and learn, Joel is gona get you for misquoating scripture, but you`re a good man tyrone, i don`t care what copeland said about you. t d jakes denies the trinity, the essential christian doctrine that make up the triune GOD head, don`t listen to him tyrone, imagine if Joel knew you were listening to t d jakes. but we will all pray for jakes, maybe he will see the truth before it`s over. by the way tyrone, how`s your chixens doing?
Yall better leave tyrone alone, yall gona worry him into anemia, tyrone sik one of your chixens on um.
Ha…you people are hysterical! Looks like a lot of people are jealous of this very successful man. Sad isn’t it! You bunch of judges, who are you to judge.
This man gives a spectacular message and it’s no wonder he is in such demand. He talks about God all the time, obviously you only hear what you want to hear. Get over yourselves!!!!! Envy is a killer, huh? You’re mad because he has done something good for the grace of God and God has rewarded him abundantly. What are you doing good for the world? Better yet, what are you doing for GOD? Sitting around pointing fingers and making everyone else out to be bad is not going to change anything in this world, nor is God going to reward you for it. God bless you!
I however did check out Joel Osteen’s website and I am
very concerned about what I found, or should I say, what I could not
find.
http://www.joelosteen.com/Pages/Index.aspx
This website looks more like a business then a ministry. He has
several events where you can have the honor and the privilege of going
to hear him speak in places like Washington D.C. as long as you BUY a
ticket to hear him for $15.00.
Matthew 10:8
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils:
freely ye have received, freely give.
Osteen is generally regarded as part of the “prosperity gospel”
movement, in short name it and claim it. This is NOT Biblical.
http://www.shatterdmen.com/Name%20It.htm
About 465 people DIE every day for their faith in Jesus Christ. Many
others are beaten, sent to prison or have their belongings destroyed
for their faith in the LORD. I wonder what the Osteen’s would do if
they have to face this type of persecution. Better yet, what would you
and I do?
Jesus told us to store up treasure in Heaven, not here on Earth. He
never promised us a better life here on Earth but He did promise us
riches untold when we go HOME.
Oh yea….the thing I could NOT find on his website…the plan of
SALVATION even when I used the site search engine and searched
for “savlation” The Lakewood church site did have one reference to
the search for “salvation” It was their statement of faith but I doubt
that if anyone wanted to know how to be saved, they would understand
it from any place on these websites.
http://www.shatterdmen.com/first_step.htm
As a pastor, my first desire it to present the Gospel of Jesus
Christ. Osteen has about 42,000 people attending “his” church every
Sunday but I contend that unless he gives the CLEAR GOSPEL, it will
not matter how many books he writes about “Becoming a Better You” or
“Position Yourself for Greatness” or “Embrace The Place Where You Are”
The only way we will do any of those thinkgs is at the FOOT OF THE
CROSS as we empty ourselves of US and allow the Holy Spirit to flow
through us and use us as HE sees fit.
This lady Shelly, and others as well, you just can`t seem to grasp it. #1- people that oppose Joel don`t hate or dislike him,# 2- it`s this health and wealth gospel he preaches that true believers don`t agree with, # 3- there is nowhere in the BIBLE that promises health and wealth, # 4- if GOD always healed, nobody would ever die ( it is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgement ) so this verse of scripture proves that is not true,also the BIBLE says blessed are the poor, for they shall inherit the earth, so the health and wealth preachers, i just gave you two verses of scripture to refute what they teach, GOD does say, i would that my children would prosper and be in health, but there is no guarantee of it. and yes Shelly you can judge, regardless of wheather you believe it or not, see the posting above on judging, the BIBLE says don`t judge falsely, but when you disagree with someone, just b/c he says he is a preacher don`t cut no ice with GOD. the health and wealth preaching, i just gave you verses to prove that`s not true, so when i say these preachers are wrong, they are, and the BIBLE proves it, problem is, to some people these false preachers are like their favorite movie star or singer, they don`t want you to say anything about them, and they don`t won`t them found out about, b/c you have exposed their idol….post 359 has it right, nowhere in the BIBLE did JESUS ever charge for any of his appearances, some of these teachers charge an outlandish fee for their appearance………and salvation is, the BIBLE says believe o the LORD JESUS with all your heart and you will be saved, and stay away from the health and wealth name it and claim it gang, don`t forsake them, but rather pray for them, b/c they need it, maybe they will see the error of their false teachings…..