Joel Osteen: Megachurch Televangelist Pastor without Christ?! SCANDAL!

SUPER FUNNY UPDATE ON JOEL OSTEEN: Check out Joel Osteen’s super scammy books he sells on Amazon (24!!!) including his self help BS book
and his hilarious book on “Wise Choices”. If only he’d follow his own advice!
LOL! For all you Joel Osteen fanboys – remember he just cynically feeds on you to make money so he can live his fancy lifestyle. He couldn’t care less about you in reality.

Popular televangelist preacher Joel Osteen has been named the “Most Influential Christian in America” in 2006 by the Church Report, was one ofJoel Osteen Scandal Man Barbara Walters, “10 Most Fascinating People of 2006 and operates an extraordinarily profitable religious scam operation that probably will one day end in scandal.

So who is this guy who has appeared on 60 Minutes, Larry King Live and has his own television shows?

Who is this guy who thinks he can share the mighty name of Joel?

Joel Osteen has not yet had major sex scandals, drug scandals or molestation scandals like the other megachurch pastors: Pat Robertson, Al Sharpton, Ted Haggard, Paul Barnes, D.E. (Earl) Paulk, Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker, William Dodd and too many others to possibly mention here. What Joel Osteen DOESN’T do is the real question.

In his sermons, Joel Osteen does not talk about God. Joel Osteen instead talks about almost everything except God. He has a television ministry, a massive church, $43 million a year in tithes and another $36 million a year in mailed in donations, but he won’t talk about God. He, like Pastor Kevin Gerald, talks about more pleasant topics, such as donating money to him and positive thinking. He has written two books, the second of which sold 3 million copies, but his books don’t really talk about God either. It’s just his bland and boring advice on how to live a happy life that has been thought of by other people first, “Think positively about yourself” and other such drivel.

What does Joel Osteen say when people ask him about why he does not discuss God or Jesus Christ or sin or what you need to do to go to Heaven? “That’s not my gift.” What are you doing being a freaking megachurch pastor then, bonehead?!

If you are going to try to operate a religious scam, at least make it religious! I actually think that Joel Osteen operating a secular “Christian” church is more of a scandal than Ted Haggard and his transsexual prostitutes and meth! (Though not nearly as funny of a scandal).

Joel Osteen didn’t even found his megachurch; instead the business was handed down to him by his father. When Joel Osteen became the head pastor of his church, he had only preached ONE sermon in his entire life- and that was the week before. Joel Osteen does not have any training in the Bible (seminary, degrees, etc.), which is probably why he doesn’t want to talk about it much.Joel Osteen & Barbara Walters

My loyal readers have pointed out to me many times that the ridiculous actions of leaders in religion do not invalidate their beliefs. They are absolutely correct on this. However, there has never been anything that VALIDATES their beliefs either. The Flying Spaghetti Monster has the same amount of evidence on his side as most other gods. Here is another question I put to you: Please find me a single megachurch pastor who is NOT a scam-running, meth-eating, prostitute-abusing criminal. Anyone?

Update March 3, 2008 on JOEL OSTEEN:

Many people have been discussing Joel Osteen in the comments and making statements about his beliefs, behavior and preaching methods that show a distinct lack of understanding of his profit driven motives. Below I have added a video of Joel Osteen on Larry King Live where he dances around the core question of the Christian faith: What does it take to get to heaven? Joel Osteen hems and haws and won’t even say that people of different religions won’t make it to heaven.

The partial transcript for Joel Osteen’s interview with Larry King is below. I have basically pulled out the most pertinent excerpts to the point I have tried to make on televangelist Joel Osteen.

Televangelist Joel Osteen Discusses Christianity with Larry King

First is Larry King’s impressive introduction of Joel Osteen:

LARRY KING, CNN HOST: Tonight, Joel Osteen, evangelism’s hottest rising star, pastor for the biggest congregation in the United States… Pastor Joel Osteen is here for the hour…. Joel Osteen is the author of the number one “New York Times” best-seller, “Your Best Life Now.” There you see its cover. “Seven Steps to Living at Your Full Potential.” There is now a compendium been published called “Your Best Life Now Journal,” a guide to reaching that full potential. Joel Osteen is pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. His father before him. He has been called the smiling preacher.

Larry King knows Joel Osteen Ministries is huge and tries to play nice with him throughout the interview.

KING: Why are you a preacher?

JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I never was for 17 years. I worked with my dad there at the church. He tried to get me to minister. I didn’t have it in me. I worked behind the scenes. I loved doing production and things. But when my father died, I just knew — I don’t know how to explain it, it sounds kind of odd, but I just knew down to here I was supposed to step up to the plate and pastor the church. And it was odd because I had never preached before. But I just knew I was supposed to do it.

Hmmm… either God gave him the “calling” or he was scared of losing his father’s multi-million dollar preaching business.

KING: But don’t you think if people don’t believe as you believe, they’re somehow condemned?

JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I think that happens in our society. But I try not to do that. I tell people all the time, preached a couple Sundays about it. I’m for everybody. You may not agree with me, but to me it’s not my job to try to straighten everybody out. The Gospel called the good news. My message is a message of hope, that’s God’s for you. You can live a good life no matter what’s happened to you. And so I don’t know. I know there is condemnation but I don’t feel that’s my place.

Joel Osteen comes right out and says that he will refuse to condemn sinners. He is too afraid, it’s not his place, he just wants to spew bland niceties… hmmm.

LARRY KING: Where were you ordained? OSTEEN: I was ordained from the church there, Lakewood, under my dad’s ministry.

LARRY KING: So you didn’t go to seminary?

JOEL OSTEEN: No, sir, I didn’t.

LARRY KING: They can just make you a minister?

JOEL OSTEEN: You can, you can.

Wow. Joel Osteen never even attended Bible school or classes for future preachers. No wonder he is so clueless about Biblical theology.

LARRY KING: Is it hard to lead a Christian life?

JOEL OSTEEN: I don’t think it’s that hard. To me it’s fun. We have joy and happiness. Our family — I don’t feel like that at all. I’m not trying to follow a set of rules and stuff. I’m just living my life.

LARRY KING: But you have rules, don’t you?

JOEL OSTEEN: We do have rules. But the main rule to me is to honor God with your life. To life a life of integrity. Not be selfish. You know, help others. But that’s really the essence of the Christian faith.

Of course its not hard for Joel Osteen to lead a Christian life. BECAUSE HE’S NOT!!!

LARRY KING: What if you’re Jewish or Muslim, you don’t accept Christ at all?

JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I’m very careful about saying who would and wouldn’t go to heaven. I don’t know …

LARRY KING: If you believe you have to believe in Christ? They’re wrong, aren’t they?

JOEL OSTEEN: Well, I don’t know if I believe they’re wrong. I believe here’s what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God with judge a person’s heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don’t know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don’t know. I’ve seen their sincerity. So I don’t know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.

The last exchange between Larry King and Joel Osteen hits the nail on the head of everything that is wrong with the Joel Osteen Ministry. All it is is fluff. He can’t even defend the single core belief of Christianity- that a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is a requirement to gain access to Heaven.

Below is more Joel Osteen preaching videos. Joel Osteen preaches on cheesy, transparent topics that have nothing to do with the Bible. He twists scripture around to serve his own purposes of mass produced drivel. My question to Joel Osteen is where in the Bible does it say Christians have a “right to total victory” over physical pain, financial problems and other issues? Did he completely miss the book of Job or the trials and tribulations that the early Christians had to suffer under the Romans? I don’t think that Joel Osteen has ever even read the Bible.

DO NOT LET JOEL OSTEEN CONTINUE TO GET AWAY WITH HIS BIBLE-CONTRADICTING, POLITICALLY CORRECT AND PROFIT SEEKING DRIVEL! JOEL OSTEEN’S SCANDAL IS OUTRAGEOUS!

Jesus once went into a temple and threw out currency traders and salespeople…. WHO WILL THROW THE SCANDAL CREATING JOEL OSTEEN OUT OF GOD’S ASTRODOME TEMPLE?

Further discussion: Joel Osteen megachurch building – Joel Osteen paid the city of Houston $90,000,000 to remodel the former home of NBA team Houston Rockets and an additional $14,000,000 to lease the building for 30 years. Preacher Joel Osteen’s megachurch does not even own the building! Pastor Joel Osteen doesn’t care though- he’ll be dead by then and this church is all about him. The most interesting thing about the new church is that there is not a SINGLE cross in the whole building! Want to know why? Joel Osteen says that he wants to remove all “stumbling blocks” from the way of people coming to his church and being comfortable. Since when has Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross been a STUMBLING BLOCK for faith?! The scandal here is that the Joel Osteen is doing and saying blasphemous things… and no one is calling him out on it. The pastor of the largest church in America won’t even follow the basic tenets of Christianity!

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Joel Osteen is unable to even keep his own family under control. Pastor Joel Olsteen’s wife, Victoria Osteen, has been fined $3,000 and is being sued for assaulting a flight attendant on her first-class trip to the playground of the rich and famous Vail, Colorado.

Bible Verses that Condemn Megachurch Pastor Joel Osteen

I have had quite a few people post in the comments asking what does it really matter what Joel Osteen believes if he’s helping people? If Joel Osteen teaches nice things, isn’t it okay for him to be a Christian pastor? I understand that my opinions of right and wrong should not sway you, but I ask you to consider what the Bible says on the matter. First, let’s take the Bible verses that are the standard definition of who is a Christian:

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 (NIV)

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 (NIV)

For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23 (NIV)

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faithand this not from yourselves, it is the gift of Godnot by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (NIV)

To summarize, the only way to be saved and go to heaven is by the grace of Jesus and by faith in God. These are the basic verses that every Christian who has accepted Christ knows. Now for the verses that clearly state that only Christians who believe the above will go to Heaven:

-John 3:3: no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.
-John 3:15: everyone who believes in him [Jesus] may have eternal life.
-John 3:18: whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of Gods one and only Son.
-John 14:6: Jesus answered: No one comes to the Father except through me
-Acts 3:23: And it shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people. (ASV)
-Acts 4:12: Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved
-Romans 10:9: Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved
-Hebrews 9:28: he [Christ] will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him
-1 John 5:12: he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

The nine quoted verses above clearly state that only Christians can go to Heaven. Now, if Joel Osteen truly believed and was a pastor of a Bible-based church, would he preach a false message of hope to people? Joel Osteen is essentially subverting the word of God, which motivated me to write this post. I am not sure why Joel would do this, but my postulation (as above) is that he is doing it for financial gain. Joel Osteens father was a pastor and he has been a pastor for a long time now and he should know better than most people the MOST basic tenets of Christianity. Ignorance is an excuse for new Christians (as long as they work at it), but not for a shepherd of the flock.

Do you know what the Bible says about false teachers like Joel Osteen?

-2 Timothy 4:3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.

-Matthew 7:15,16 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits.

-Acts 20:29-31 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves . Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.

-2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

-2 Peter 3:16,17 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;

-Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

-Hebrews 13:9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.

The Bible is very, very harsh in its condemnation of people who change, twist or leave out parts of its doctrine. False leaders (Joel Osteen), to me, are more disgusting than someone who is a hypocrite (Ted Haggard).

For more information on mega church pastor Joel Osteen you can search Google with the terms joelosteen.com or joel osteen.com to find the man’s website. You could also use terms such as Joel Osteen Website or Joel Osteen Lakewood Church for other sorts of information on him.

Why do I care what Joel Osteen does or doesnt do in his church, especially seeing that I am not religious? People who are cheats, fakes, and phonies really bother me. I have written quite a few other posts on various community leaders who lead people astray for their own personal gain. My tax dollars go to support Joel Osteen (every church in America is exempt from taxes, but Joel Osteen is making millions tax-free teaching his Prosperity Message when he is basically just another self-help guru). I also am very wary of megachurch pastors (I used to attend one and have seen many on television)- they often seem to be some of the craziest people (Jim Jones-Want some Kool Aid?)

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2,056 thoughts on “Joel Osteen: Megachurch Televangelist Pastor without Christ?! SCANDAL!”

  1. There is a clip above that the host of this blog., put on here to show what Joel said on Larry King in his defence of the faith, take a look at it Shelly.

  2. Joel Gross,

    You make some great points. It appears to me you have at least as much knowledge of scripture as Joel Osteen does! So, why are you not “religious?” Read the scriptures you have cited in your tirade against Osteen’s shananagins. Either heaven or hell await you after this life. Hell is a very real place, whether Osteen cares to admit it or not! Repent from your sins and put your faith in Christ for salvation.

    God bless,
    Ryan

  3. On post 317 i noticed terron said there was 50.000 members, well that`s even the more proof the BIBLE is true…..the BIBLE say`s in the last day`s people will fall away from the true faith, they will exchange the truth of GOD for a lie, health and wealth prosperity gospel………I did in all fairness watch Joel osteen last night to see what he would teach…….he said over and over, this is the year of jubilee, where all debts were cancelled, then he continued to tell the croud they were anointed, he even told of a fish that was anointed, in his mind the fish was anointed because the sharks would`nt eat it………I mean Joel is a soft spoken person, no doubt about it, but he did`nt go to siminary, he just makes people feel good about themselves by what he says to them, the BIBLE calls it itching ears………..so just b/c someone makes you feel good, that don`t mean it`s from GOD……..to me it sorta looks like a parent telling their little one a bedtime story, it relaxes the little one and causes them to go to sleep………people want to hear something that makes them feel good,no matter where it`s from………

  4. And Joel continued telling people over and over,this is the year of jubilee, this is your time, this is your time for your healing and ect. some prosperity teachers even go as for as to say, you are still sick b/c your faith is`nt strong enough, you need to make a vow of, in robert tiltons teaching, a 1.000 dollars seems to be the magic number for your healing or whatever it is that you want from GOD. imagine telling some heart broken parent that, when their baby just died. i`ve never heard Joel say anything like that, but some of these people teach that…..but jubilee or no jubilee, there is no set time for a person to receive a healing from GOD………

  5. wonder where my buddy tyrone is? have`nt heard from him in awhile, o i know where he is, he`s gone to count his chixens. we will say a prayer for him in his absence.

  6. Anyone who does not see Jesus’ teachings in Joels messages if unfamiliar with the teachings of Jesus.

    Christian churches today fall into two categories: Anti-Joel people follow the doctrines of Paul. They are quick to judge and they want to take condemnation away from God. A few honor the teachings of Jesus. They judge not for they know that as they judge, they are judged. Joel falls into the latter category.

    Paul would have you live in fear of eternal retribution. Jesus would have you live at peace – certain that if you do, all of your problems will go away and you will live a full and happy life. Then, by example, you will be able to bring others to the joy – the light of God.

    Why would Christians BLINDLY follow the teachings of the church built upon the teachings of Paul while condemning those who spend their lives trying to live up to the teachings of the church bult upon the teachings of Jesus?

    When Jesus spoke of building a church upon a rock, he did not point to Paul, who hadn’t even been born yet.

    I really wish that those who belong to the Church of Paul were not so ignorant.

  7. Hmmm… did any of you hear his sermons or realize how much he helps people globally? Check out his outreaches…

    Also Joel O. is trying to get more new believers and there are more deeper teachings in the fellowships he runs…

    It’s funny how all of you could judge him and not attend a single service or fellowship… aren’t you all doing what you all are complaining about anyways?

    Joel O is reaching so many people and a lot of women who got worn down by men like all of you – legalist, judgemental and non-forgiving.

    Marie

  8. Marie you must not realize Paul wrote more than two thirds of the new testament, the BIBLE says Paul was the greatest PREACHER that ever lived, i could hardly believe the negative thing`s you said about Brother Paul….you also don`t understand, the BIBLE says we can judge, read it for yourself, don`t judge falsely it says, but when you look at the clip above of Joel on Larry King, i don`t believe you can make a case with what you are saying here. it`s unbelievable, that you said anti joel, to even think about comparing joel to the APOSTLE PAUL……if you fall for this kind of teaching where Jesus was clearly denied on the King show, then you will be very easy pickings for the anti christ……..you were talking about judging joel and how others were in sin also, and that is true, people are in sin, the difference is, these other people are`nt on national television preaching a false gospel, prosperity, health and wealth, basically, name it and claim it, you can actually speak what you want into your life so these teachers say, you are being dupped, the next time you are going to work, or where ever you are going, and your car won`t start, don`t freat, just speak to it, that`s what you are being taught in reality…….you were talking about joel helping people, and that`s nice, but there are people who will help you, that don`t even believe in GOD. so helping people won`t get it for you….the BIBLE declares that in the day of judgement, people will say LORD, did we not cast out devils in your name?, did we not prophecy and do many good works, then the lord will say, depart from me you who work iniquity, for i neverrrr knewwwww youuuuu. that`s in your BIBLE, and you my friend can read it for yourself….Joel did`nt attend seminary at all, he has no BIBLE training, but what he does have is this….he found something that works, he tells people what they want to hear, the BIBLE calls it itching ears. some 50.000 people listen to a feel good, health and wealth name it and claim it theology, and bless their hearts, they don`t even know they are being led down a blind aley………and yes i would love with all my heart to see joel come to know the truth, and teach what the BIBLE says, not some hoop lah feel good theology….jOEL teaches that JESUS did`nt finish the work on the cross, but rather he had to go to hell, he then took the devil by the nape of the neck and there was a big war in hell, then JESUS showed the devil he was the winner…….funny my BIBLE says, on the cross JESUS told the one thief, this day you will be with me in heaven, then he said father into thy hands i commit my spirit, so it don`t sound like to me he had to go to hell to finish the work his FATHER gave him to do. but i will say this, joel is not the only false teacher out there that teaches this………and maybe joel really don`t know what he is teaching is wrong, he says well i don`t know if people are wrong when they say you don`t have to believe in CHRIST, well pray tell who do you have to put your faith and belief in then? GOD BLESS YOU DEAR…

  9. You guys miss the point, Is he helping others to at lease lead a good life, to at lease try to do good. You are the bone heads, you are the antichrist, and I truly did not wat to judge you but it’s the likes of you that treat Christ so badly on the cross. Christ did nothing wrong to be treated that way and neithr has Joel Osteen. Why don’t you live a life that is christ like and stop judging

  10. just want to know who’s behind this Criticism. if they are really exposing the truth, why I haven’t seen any person behind this. I just believe to what the Lord Jesus said, “if they’re not against us their with us.” so we don’t have the right to judge or we too will be judged.

  11. Leave all judgements to God. There will be surprises in Heaven. People who we did not expect to be there will be there and vice versa. God does not need us to defend him or his words. He is all powerful and can defend himself.

  12. I`m not gona call you any names errol, but you certainly don`t know scripture, for as antichrist goes,that could be anyone who denys CHRIST, like for instance joel did on Larry King, and you people still follow , joel has no seminary training, you say be CHRIST like, well joel should be CHRIST like and set an example for his followers, not go on LARRY KING and say, he does`nt know if people are wrong for not believing in CHRIST, you people act more like the ostrich with his head in the sand rather than believers, but again joel was appointed by the people who attend there, they wanted someone to tell them what they want to hear, blind leading the blind…….noel say`s don`t judge, well noel the BIBLE says to make a righteous judgement, so you are wrong my friend……….cassie says GOD does`nt need us to defend him, and you are right, GOD needs nothing from anyone, but i assure you, he expects us to acknowledge his only begotten SON, JESUS, not go on some talk show and say, LARRY KING said, well joel when people say you have to believe in CHRIST they are wrong are`nt they? joel said, wellll i don`t know if i believe they are wrong, i mean you People clearly won`t take a stand for JESUS, and there`s no getting around that, if i would`nt stand for JESUS, then i would`nt waste my time saying i`m a believer, b/c thats just what you are doing when you won`t confess JESUS, wasting your time.GOD bless all, and you should`nt call people name`s errol, that`s not christian either………

  13. marie says, you have`nt even been to one of his services, why would you go somewhere and have the teacher say he does`nt know if people are wrong for not believing in CHRIST? why not just go to a night club somewhere, you would be just as well off, i mean you could probably find some drunks that would tell you, yes you have to believe in CHRIST, even they are smart enough to know that…

  14. yall are wasting your time talking to the lakewood people, they have their own JESUS, not the one of the BIBLE, and they are gona defend their teacher until the end……..they will follow him right into hell, he can turn it around if he wants to, just say to the world, yes you have to believe in CHRIST,and if you don`t believe in CHRIST, then you are lost, i would love to hear him say that, but to date, i have`nt, sad sad sad, and sad for the followers who don`t know any better………GOD BLESS.

  15. I think who ever wrote this is really stupid, do you even watch him,I don’t know what channel you are watching, but the one I watch Joel Osteen does talk about GOD, maybe your not really even in to GOD, so you wouldn’t know if someone was talking about him or not, I challenge to believe in GOD I dare you to.

  16. There is so much money at lakewood church, that joels brother gave up his medical practise as a surgeon to join in, something he went to colledge 8 years for, i mean if he had a true calling from GOD, in my mind he would have went into the minestry to begin with……..But joel does`nt mind for you people knowing about his brother, because it`s on the webb….blind leading the blind, and they all fall in the ditch, these poor people at lakewood, i believe sometime they think joel can walk on water….it`s unbelievable that all of these people put together can`t figure it out, and will follow someone who just tells them a good story, someone who was never even trained to be a preacher, but you would`nt go to an auto mechanic to have dental work done, but you people will fall for this kind of teaching……….all i can say is GOD loves you and so do i, no matter who you are, it`s just heart breaking to see someone led astray, and yes i love joel, i just wish he taught scripture, and not some feel good prosperity gospel………GOD BLESS YOU ALL..

  17. Denise said she did`nt know what channel we watched, and then she called us a choise name…..denise you did`nt watch the one we watch either, called the Larry King Show, where joel said, well i would`nt say they are wrong, that was his answer when Larry King said, joel when people say you have to believe in CHRIST they are wrong are`nt they? that`s when the, well i would`nt say they are wrong answer came in………I mean g wiz, what kind of JESUS are you people there for, it can`t be the GOD of Israel, the GOD of Abrham, Isac and Jacob, no way, because the GOD of Israel don`t accept anyone that won`t acknoledge his son KING JESUS…and that is the BIBLE truth, wheather you accept it or believe it, every person that`s ever lived, past present and future, will say CHRIST is the only way to GOD the father, and if not, the father will say, depart from me, forrrr iiiii neverrrr knewwww youuuuu, the saddest 8 words we could ever hear, because those 8 words mean it`s all over, eternity in a place called hell, a horrible place that no human would won`t to go, nor would he won`t to see his fellowman there either….GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

  18. I have noticed several postings from People that support lakewood, and some are members, they have as one person put it, choice names they call people, it`s very interesting to see people supporting lakewood church, they call people names because you dont`t go along with the false teachings, so just the fact that they call people names, you know they can`t know to much about the BIble and GODS word. show me one place in the BIBLE, lakewood people, where JESUS resorted to calling people names, so i would fix my name calling life style before i would start telling people that a false teaching is acceptable..I say this in love, but you know it`s true..

  19. Denise said joel talks about GOD on the channel she watches. nobody said joel did`nt talk about God, i`ve heard him talk about God also. I also heard him say he did`nt know if people were wrong for not believing in Christ on Larry K show, so that`s what people won`t joel to explain to them, if you don`t have to believe in Christ, then why not just turn this huge building into texas biggest night joint. the Bible says to know the truth and not do it is sin, well christ is what the christian faith is all about, so to say, i don`t know if you have to believe in christ, well that`s sin, guess what God says about sin? I have yet to see the first person that is taking up for Lakewood or joel to explain this untruth about not having to believe in christ, they talk about the good things Lakewood does and the nice words they use, but not one, not one, can explain this away, i`m talking about what was said on Larry K show. they talk about everything from joel bashers to people who hate, and joel haters, by the way i have not found one posting on here where anyone said they hated joel, they call people names, but when you ask why joel would`nt confess CHRIST on Larry K show, they drop the question like a hot potato and go in another direction, i guess they are hoping to confuse you and make you forget the real issue, fatttt chancee.

  20. I`ve never heard any of the Lakewood people explain it either, why joel said what he said on L King. like u said, they talk about everything but that. just thought joel or the Lakewood could explain this, you can`t, but i`ll watch to see if you try.

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