SUPER FUNNY UPDATE ON JOEL OSTEEN: Check out Joel Osteen’s super scammy books he sells on Amazon (24!!!) including his self help BS book
and his hilarious book on “Wise Choices”. If only he’d follow his own advice!
LOL! For all you Joel Osteen fanboys – remember he just cynically feeds on you to make money so he can live his fancy lifestyle. He couldn’t care less about you in reality.
Popular televangelist preacher Joel Osteen has been named the “Most Influential Christian in America” in 2006 by the Church Report, was one of
Barbara Walters, “10 Most Fascinating People of 2006 and operates an extraordinarily profitable religious scam operation that probably will one day end in scandal.
So who is this guy who has appeared on 60 Minutes, Larry King Live and has his own television shows?
Who is this guy who thinks he can share the mighty name of Joel?
Joel Osteen has not yet had major sex scandals, drug scandals or molestation scandals like the other megachurch pastors: Pat Robertson, Al Sharpton, Ted Haggard, Paul Barnes, D.E. (Earl) Paulk, Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker, William Dodd and too many others to possibly mention here. What Joel Osteen DOESN’T do is the real question.
In his sermons, Joel Osteen does not talk about God. Joel Osteen instead talks about almost everything except God. He has a television ministry, a massive church, $43 million a year in tithes and another $36 million a year in mailed in donations, but he won’t talk about God. He, like Pastor Kevin Gerald, talks about more pleasant topics, such as donating money to him and positive thinking. He has written two books, the second of which sold 3 million copies, but his books don’t really talk about God either. It’s just his bland and boring advice on how to live a happy life that has been thought of by other people first, “Think positively about yourself” and other such drivel.
What does Joel Osteen say when people ask him about why he does not discuss God or Jesus Christ or sin or what you need to do to go to Heaven? “That’s not my gift.” What are you doing being a freaking megachurch pastor then, bonehead?!
If you are going to try to operate a religious scam, at least make it religious! I actually think that Joel Osteen operating a secular “Christian” church is more of a scandal than Ted Haggard and his transsexual prostitutes and meth! (Though not nearly as funny of a scandal).
Joel Osteen didn’t even found his megachurch; instead the business was handed down to him by his father. When Joel Osteen became the head pastor of his church, he had only preached ONE sermon in his entire life- and that was the week before. Joel Osteen does not have any training in the Bible (seminary, degrees, etc.), which is probably why he doesn’t want to talk about it much.
My loyal readers have pointed out to me many times that the ridiculous actions of leaders in religion do not invalidate their beliefs. They are absolutely correct on this. However, there has never been anything that VALIDATES their beliefs either. The Flying Spaghetti Monster has the same amount of evidence on his side as most other gods. Here is another question I put to you: Please find me a single megachurch pastor who is NOT a scam-running, meth-eating, prostitute-abusing criminal. Anyone?
Update March 3, 2008 on JOEL OSTEEN:
Many people have been discussing Joel Osteen in the comments and making statements about his beliefs, behavior and preaching methods that show a distinct lack of understanding of his profit driven motives. Below I have added a video of Joel Osteen on Larry King Live where he dances around the core question of the Christian faith: What does it take to get to heaven? Joel Osteen hems and haws and won’t even say that people of different religions won’t make it to heaven.
The partial transcript for Joel Osteen’s interview with Larry King is below. I have basically pulled out the most pertinent excerpts to the point I have tried to make on televangelist Joel Osteen.
Televangelist Joel Osteen Discusses Christianity with Larry King
First is Larry King’s impressive introduction of Joel Osteen:
LARRY KING, CNN HOST: Tonight, Joel Osteen, evangelism’s hottest rising star, pastor for the biggest congregation in the United States… Pastor Joel Osteen is here for the hour…. Joel Osteen is the author of the number one “New York Times” best-seller, “Your Best Life Now.” There you see its cover. “Seven Steps to Living at Your Full Potential.” There is now a compendium been published called “Your Best Life Now Journal,” a guide to reaching that full potential. Joel Osteen is pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. His father before him. He has been called the smiling preacher.
Larry King knows Joel Osteen Ministries is huge and tries to play nice with him throughout the interview.
KING: Why are you a preacher?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I never was for 17 years. I worked with my dad there at the church. He tried to get me to minister. I didn’t have it in me. I worked behind the scenes. I loved doing production and things. But when my father died, I just knew — I don’t know how to explain it, it sounds kind of odd, but I just knew down to here I was supposed to step up to the plate and pastor the church. And it was odd because I had never preached before. But I just knew I was supposed to do it.
Hmmm… either God gave him the “calling” or he was scared of losing his father’s multi-million dollar preaching business.
KING: But don’t you think if people don’t believe as you believe, they’re somehow condemned?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I think that happens in our society. But I try not to do that. I tell people all the time, preached a couple Sundays about it. I’m for everybody. You may not agree with me, but to me it’s not my job to try to straighten everybody out. The Gospel called the good news. My message is a message of hope, that’s God’s for you. You can live a good life no matter what’s happened to you. And so I don’t know. I know there is condemnation but I don’t feel that’s my place.
Joel Osteen comes right out and says that he will refuse to condemn sinners. He is too afraid, it’s not his place, he just wants to spew bland niceties… hmmm.
LARRY KING: Where were you ordained? OSTEEN: I was ordained from the church there, Lakewood, under my dad’s ministry.
LARRY KING: So you didn’t go to seminary?
JOEL OSTEEN: No, sir, I didn’t.
LARRY KING: They can just make you a minister?
JOEL OSTEEN: You can, you can.
Wow. Joel Osteen never even attended Bible school or classes for future preachers. No wonder he is so clueless about Biblical theology.
LARRY KING: Is it hard to lead a Christian life?
JOEL OSTEEN: I don’t think it’s that hard. To me it’s fun. We have joy and happiness. Our family — I don’t feel like that at all. I’m not trying to follow a set of rules and stuff. I’m just living my life.
LARRY KING: But you have rules, don’t you?
JOEL OSTEEN: We do have rules. But the main rule to me is to honor God with your life. To life a life of integrity. Not be selfish. You know, help others. But that’s really the essence of the Christian faith.
Of course its not hard for Joel Osteen to lead a Christian life. BECAUSE HE’S NOT!!!
LARRY KING: What if you’re Jewish or Muslim, you don’t accept Christ at all?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I’m very careful about saying who would and wouldn’t go to heaven. I don’t know …
LARRY KING: If you believe you have to believe in Christ? They’re wrong, aren’t they?
JOEL OSTEEN: Well, I don’t know if I believe they’re wrong. I believe here’s what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God with judge a person’s heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don’t know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don’t know. I’ve seen their sincerity. So I don’t know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.
The last exchange between Larry King and Joel Osteen hits the nail on the head of everything that is wrong with the Joel Osteen Ministry. All it is is fluff. He can’t even defend the single core belief of Christianity- that a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is a requirement to gain access to Heaven.
Below is more Joel Osteen preaching videos. Joel Osteen preaches on cheesy, transparent topics that have nothing to do with the Bible. He twists scripture around to serve his own purposes of mass produced drivel. My question to Joel Osteen is where in the Bible does it say Christians have a “right to total victory” over physical pain, financial problems and other issues? Did he completely miss the book of Job or the trials and tribulations that the early Christians had to suffer under the Romans? I don’t think that Joel Osteen has ever even read the Bible.
DO NOT LET JOEL OSTEEN CONTINUE TO GET AWAY WITH HIS BIBLE-CONTRADICTING, POLITICALLY CORRECT AND PROFIT SEEKING DRIVEL! JOEL OSTEEN’S SCANDAL IS OUTRAGEOUS!
Jesus once went into a temple and threw out currency traders and salespeople…. WHO WILL THROW THE SCANDAL CREATING JOEL OSTEEN OUT OF GOD’S ASTRODOME TEMPLE?
Further discussion: Joel Osteen megachurch building – Joel Osteen paid the city of Houston $90,000,000 to remodel the former home of NBA team Houston Rockets and an additional $14,000,000 to lease the building for 30 years. Preacher Joel Osteen’s megachurch does not even own the building! Pastor Joel Osteen doesn’t care though- he’ll be dead by then and this church is all about him. The most interesting thing about the new church is that there is not a SINGLE cross in the whole building! Want to know why? Joel Osteen says that he wants to remove all “stumbling blocks” from the way of people coming to his church and being comfortable. Since when has Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross been a STUMBLING BLOCK for faith?! The scandal here is that the Joel Osteen is doing and saying blasphemous things… and no one is calling him out on it. The pastor of the largest church in America won’t even follow the basic tenets of Christianity!
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Joel Osteen is unable to even keep his own family under control. Pastor Joel Olsteen’s wife, Victoria Osteen, has been fined $3,000 and is being sued for assaulting a flight attendant on her first-class trip to the playground of the rich and famous Vail, Colorado.
Bible Verses that Condemn Megachurch Pastor Joel Osteen
I have had quite a few people post in the comments asking what does it really matter what Joel Osteen believes if he’s helping people? If Joel Osteen teaches nice things, isn’t it okay for him to be a Christian pastor? I understand that my opinions of right and wrong should not sway you, but I ask you to consider what the Bible says on the matter. First, let’s take the Bible verses that are the standard definition of who is a Christian:
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 (NIV)
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 (NIV)
For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23 (NIV)
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faithand this not from yourselves, it is the gift of Godnot by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (NIV)
To summarize, the only way to be saved and go to heaven is by the grace of Jesus and by faith in God. These are the basic verses that every Christian who has accepted Christ knows. Now for the verses that clearly state that only Christians who believe the above will go to Heaven:
-John 3:3: no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.
-John 3:15: everyone who believes in him [Jesus] may have eternal life.
-John 3:18: whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of Gods one and only Son.
-John 14:6: Jesus answered: No one comes to the Father except through me
-Acts 3:23: And it shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people. (ASV)
-Acts 4:12: Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved
-Romans 10:9: Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved
-Hebrews 9:28: he [Christ] will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him
-1 John 5:12: he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
The nine quoted verses above clearly state that only Christians can go to Heaven. Now, if Joel Osteen truly believed and was a pastor of a Bible-based church, would he preach a false message of hope to people? Joel Osteen is essentially subverting the word of God, which motivated me to write this post. I am not sure why Joel would do this, but my postulation (as above) is that he is doing it for financial gain. Joel Osteens father was a pastor and he has been a pastor for a long time now and he should know better than most people the MOST basic tenets of Christianity. Ignorance is an excuse for new Christians (as long as they work at it), but not for a shepherd of the flock.
Do you know what the Bible says about false teachers like Joel Osteen?
-2 Timothy 4:3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.
-Matthew 7:15,16 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits.
-Acts 20:29-31 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves . Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.
-2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
-2 Peter 3:16,17 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
-Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
-Hebrews 13:9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.
The Bible is very, very harsh in its condemnation of people who change, twist or leave out parts of its doctrine. False leaders (Joel Osteen), to me, are more disgusting than someone who is a hypocrite (Ted Haggard).
For more information on mega church pastor Joel Osteen you can search Google with the terms joelosteen.com or joel osteen.com to find the man’s website. You could also use terms such as Joel Osteen Website or Joel Osteen Lakewood Church for other sorts of information on him.
Why do I care what Joel Osteen does or doesnt do in his church, especially seeing that I am not religious? People who are cheats, fakes, and phonies really bother me. I have written quite a few other posts on various community leaders who lead people astray for their own personal gain. My tax dollars go to support Joel Osteen (every church in America is exempt from taxes, but Joel Osteen is making millions tax-free teaching his Prosperity Message when he is basically just another self-help guru). I also am very wary of megachurch pastors (I used to attend one and have seen many on television)- they often seem to be some of the craziest people (Jim Jones-Want some Kool Aid?)
Hi, I just happened upon your blog while doing a search on Joel Olsteen.
just curious, are you a believer yourself or are you just reporting the facts? I on many occasions wake to Joel on my tv and must admit he is a wonderful motivational speaker but lacks substance when it pertains to preaching the Word of God.
He always leaves me wanting more and feeling like back that up with a scripture. As you know, if you are a believer, the only thing that can change your heart is the Word of God.
Thanks,
Stacey Watson
http://www.1siztabloggin.com
Okay I think your missing the point which is easy to do because Joel didn’t come right out and say it by quoting scriptures.
It’s obvious to me that he just doesn’t want to judge anyone because he knows that in doing so one becomes caught in a nagging mental trap by one’s own concience and then the only thing left to that one is to cast dispersions on others in order to feel better or look better,the problem is one never does look or feel better.I believe it was Paul who said something similar about believers in christ becoming the enemies of faith.I honestly can’t remember which verse or book that is in but I got the gist of the teaching of the Bible and I had to agree with it and believe in it because I just knew it was true and right,I cannot explain it,the why I believe it,I just do because of the presence that was near to my heart when I was reading the Bible.
So my point is that we can’t go around saying this person is wrong or that person is right because none of us really are right,we do what we can in that direction or we sit on the sidelines and pick at others who are at least trying to do someithing they believe is right.
We used to have live and let live attitudes in America.I don’t know what happened to it probably a myriad of things,but I do know that whatever Joel Olsteen is doing be it right or wrong has nothing to do with my own salvation or condemnation,it is ultimatly my own choice to accept or reject christ.I must admit that I could be wrong but it’s what I believe.So here is my proposal to you,instead of tearing down others and calling them scum(and thereby becoming scum yourself) work on your own relationship with God,find out for yourself who he is and what he stands for or against and perhaps something will occur that you did not expect to happen.Anything is possible for anyone who gives it thier all.
I agree with stacey, joel is a good motivational speaker, but that is all, he lacks in all areas where as the preaching of the Bible is concerned, he is afraid to talk about sin, afraid he will run some of his customers off, and he won`t tell his customers that they have to believe on JESUS CHRIST, but he rather say`s, i would`nt say people are wrong for not believing on CHRIST, well my question is this, what are you going to church for?, to learn about santa claus,or the easter bunny? someone explain this to me, why you don`t have to believe on JESUS..
On February 28th, 2008 Liliana Garcia De Alba wrote that she thought Joel Osteen was a “great pastor.” Also that he had “helped me through my difficult times, when all I thought of was negative about my self and my self esteem.” The most alarming thing she wrote was that “he makes people believe in themselves.”
God’s tells us in His Word we are to believe in Him, NOT in ourselves! Human effort (works) will not help you get closer to God nor will it help you in any way gain access to Heaven. The ONLY Way to have a personal relationship with God, our Father, is to believe that Jesus Christ is His Son, died for our sins, and arose from the dead. He now lives so that we too can have an abundant life IN RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM!
Being good, doing good, or having all “happy thoughts” might make you “feel” better, but will do absolutely nothing for your benefit in the eyes of God. If we could work it out for ourselves, what would we need God for? Eventually, when all that outer fluff wears off (and it will), a person without Christ is still without the ONLY solution to their problem (sin).
I know there will probably be thousands who reject my thoughts as “negative” or too limiting. The message I speak of is not my own, but God’s message — it’s found between the pages of Genesis 1:1 all the way through to Revelation 22:21. You’ll find ONE answer throughout the entire Word of God — Jesus Christ!
Well said Karen R. alot of people can motivate you but if you don`t believe on JESUS, Then it don`t matter how you feel, i don`t believe people are judging Joel, but rather testing what he says in light of scripture, and what joel says just don`t square with the Bible….
Has anybody heard from tyrone fleming? i hope he did`nt get drowned or some freak thing happened to him………..ps and i hope your chixens are safe to tyrone.
Of course Joel is talking about Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit inclusive his own life belongs to God the creator of all the seen and unseen. Everything he is talking about is about having a Devine relationship with God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One Holy Trinity. Those of you in the blind, proud, materialistic world do not understand God’s words even if they are slapping you in the face because you have not given yourselves to the Lord God almightily instead you feel threatened or offended no matter how loving they are spoken to you. Until you sincerely give your heart to Jesus and ask him to come live in your heart the words written in the Holy Bible and the words given by God to Joel Olsteen and other great pastors like him will never make sense to you. They speak but you will never understand just like those who crucified Jesus Christ with all that hateful, maddening, arrogance and ignorance you will always be out there like blood thirsty vultures killing and crucifying those of us who give all we have to God and living for Christ with the Holy Spirit guiding us. God gives us a choice, either live as slaves to sin or open your hearts to God himself without RELIGEON so that you can be set free. Only until you do initiate sincere intentions towards God of wanting a personal relationship with God will you realize and see the truth in all that is of him. Ask him for wisdom and understanding so you can get to know him better and you will feel and see everything in a different light. A light that only God can turn on for you so that you can tell the difference between what is truth and what is a wrong. You will not need anyone to speak on your behalf or translate to you what the Lord God is trying to tell you because you will have knowledge and understanding given to you by Jesus Christ.
Diana said joel talks about JESUS, but if you play the Larry King clip you will see for yourself that Joel said he did`nt know if people were wrong for not believing on Jesus, she also talked about people putting JESUS on the cross and killing him, well Diana when you won`t tell people that they have to believe on JESUS, then this person is the main ring leader as for as killing JESUS, explain to the rest of us why Joel told Larry King he did`nt know if people were wrong for not believing on JESUS, the only begotten son of GOD. you said he was a great pastor but when he spoke nobody heard him, joel is a motivational speaker who tells people if they say something long enough it will happen, in other words you can speak your own world into being, the next time your check book don`t measure up, just do what joel says, just speak to the problem until the numbers look the way you want them to, pure foolishness, you can`t name it and claim it dear, we will wait for your answer explaining why it was ok for Joel to tell L King he did`nt know if people were wrong for not believing on JESUS…..you can look for yourself dear, JESUS SAID IF YOU WILL NOT CONFESS ME BEFORE MEN ( Larry King ) I WILL NOT CONFESS YOU BEFORE MY FATHER AND HIS ANGELS, READ IT FOR YOURSELF DEAR, AND PRAY THAT JOEL CHANGES HIS ANSWER…GOD BLESS….
Thank you for this great article. I have always felt that he was a “feel good” preacher and scammer. I’m not sure when Christianity became politically correct with how it treats sin and how to come to Christ?
To many people just want to feel good and think that going to church on Sunday will get them into heaven. I hope they like it hot!
Sounds like you have done the math Elliott, the Bible calls it itching ears, people blindly go to these churches and pay good money for someone to tell them what they want to hear, and you are right, it wont get you into the kingdom, Simon in the Bible, tried to buy salvation with money, but he was told he had no part or lot in the matter and he was told, Simon your money perishess, b/c you thought the gift of GOD could be purchased with money, he was told, your heart is not right in the sight of GOD, go and repent…so to me there is no difference, you go to a church where a pastor says he dose`nt know if people are wrong for not believing on JESUS, but he will make you feel good by telling you things that you want to hear, for a price that is, nobody can judge Joels heart, but they can test what he says in light of scripture, and i assure you, telling people that you don`t know if it is wrong not to believe on JESUS, this is not BIBLE, not the Christian BIBLE that is. But all he would have to do is tell his people that are following him, just tell them the truth. GOD BLESS.
It confuses me why You Would Spend So Much Time Bashing Someone who Only Makes People Feel Good About themselves and God… He is Doing Nothing Wrong and Is the First To tell Everyone His Background and where is Money Goes To. Why Dont You Talk About More Inportant Issues Like Starving Children … By the Way He Donates ALOT of Money to these Starving Children.
Come On People … Do We have to Try To Make Evil out of Something Good… Dont We Already Have Enough of that.
mishelle said we were bashers, we did`nt bash or judge anyone, all we said is test what he says, and when you go on Larry King and say to the whole world that you don`t know if people are wrong for not believing on JESUS, then i`m sorry he or anyone else who does this, won`t take a stand for JESUS and tell people you have to believe on him, then your doctrine is wrong….joel you or anyone else can give all you have, to little children or whoever or whatever, but when you won`t tell the world that yes you have to believe on JESUS then your giving is all in vain, b/c all the money and everything else belongs to GOD anyway, so GOD is not impressed with peoples giving, the BIBLE says GOD owns the cattle on a thousand hills, in short he owns it all. you are being lured in with kind words, but there is much more to serving our creator than kind words….God Bless…
Michelle if you go to joels church you should ask him why he did`nt tell people on the king show they had to believe on JESUS…there would be nothing wrong with your question to him, joel might thank you for doing it, i mean he really might see the error of his ways, but in your own words why do you believe it`s ok for someone to tell people who don`t know?, that they don`t know if people are wrong for not believing on JESUS. some people really don`t know that you have to believe on JESUS to be saved, so that`s why you should always tell people the truth, yes you have to believe on JESUS..bless you.
Osteen is a liar and a crack freak. Ask those who know him and his circle of strange millionaires. Wish I could say more. RW
PS: ask about Osteen’s problems with the FBI and the IRS. Very interesting. d
Rw chapman, i don`t trust anyone these days either, especially when they want my coins, just curious, how did you know all this about osteen? i knew they had a fight on an airline with the flight attendant but i did`nt know these other things.
I don’t know who you are, but you are so full of %$&$ to say Joel Osteen doesn’t talk about God and is not a Christian…
You obviously never listened to him preach, nor read the article posted from the Larry King Show posted here on your site…
To quote Joel Osteen, “The main rule to me is to honor God with your life!”
All he preaches is about how much “GOD” loves you and wants the best for you, which is totally what God does want for His children…
You are obviously not one of them…Judy Zollar
Almost hard to believe that one 42 year old young man could, who by the way never even had any BIBLE trainnig, could play so many people into his hands just by saying nice things to them and making them feel good,things that have absolutely nothing to do with being saved…if you base it all on kind words, just immagine how easy it will be for the antichrist to win people over, he will have such intellect that he will make joel look like a third class moron, he will have the answer for everything that plagues mankind, and people who don`t recognize him will say, wow where has this great man been all this time?,and little will they know, they are talking and listening to the very devil himself, the one described in the BIBLE. not saying this young man is the devil,but boy he can sure hammer out some whoppers, i once heard him tell a story about an annointed fish, immagine that? i`ve never seen such a gullible people.
By there fruits they shall be known. Why Joel is so sucessful is he does live by the word of God and he does preach it because he simplifies the Word of God so people can understand and relate to God. He doesnt put God so far away that he is unattainable but helps people see that though we sin we are able to ask God for his forgiveness and God will give it,God does love us unconditionally and at the end of his messages He gives people the oppurtunity to give there hearts to Jesus. He allows people to see God in a practical sense because He relates God To our every day lifes,thoughts feelings,emotions,habits and just day to day living. Be cautious My Brother not to slander another brother which at times is easy for all of us to do. God Bless
Ben
You make interesting points Ben,and GOD does love us all, it`s our sin that he hates……..But could you explain to the rest of us why on the Larry King show Joel said he did`nt know if people were wrong for not believing on JESUS, i mean JESUS is what the christian faith is all about, so to make the statement, he does`nt know if people are for not believing on
my pc went down Ben, to make the statement he does`nt know if people are wrong for not believing on JESUS, well seem`s like nothing else joel says would even matter since he did`nt stand for JESUS on the king show.