SUPER FUNNY UPDATE ON JOEL OSTEEN: Check out Joel Osteen’s super scammy books he sells on Amazon (24!!!) including his self help BS book
and his hilarious book on “Wise Choices”. If only he’d follow his own advice!
LOL! For all you Joel Osteen fanboys – remember he just cynically feeds on you to make money so he can live his fancy lifestyle. He couldn’t care less about you in reality.
Popular televangelist preacher Joel Osteen has been named the “Most Influential Christian in America” in 2006 by the Church Report, was one of
Barbara Walters, “10 Most Fascinating People of 2006 and operates an extraordinarily profitable religious scam operation that probably will one day end in scandal.
So who is this guy who has appeared on 60 Minutes, Larry King Live and has his own television shows?
Who is this guy who thinks he can share the mighty name of Joel?
Joel Osteen has not yet had major sex scandals, drug scandals or molestation scandals like the other megachurch pastors: Pat Robertson, Al Sharpton, Ted Haggard, Paul Barnes, D.E. (Earl) Paulk, Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker, William Dodd and too many others to possibly mention here. What Joel Osteen DOESN’T do is the real question.
In his sermons, Joel Osteen does not talk about God. Joel Osteen instead talks about almost everything except God. He has a television ministry, a massive church, $43 million a year in tithes and another $36 million a year in mailed in donations, but he won’t talk about God. He, like Pastor Kevin Gerald, talks about more pleasant topics, such as donating money to him and positive thinking. He has written two books, the second of which sold 3 million copies, but his books don’t really talk about God either. It’s just his bland and boring advice on how to live a happy life that has been thought of by other people first, “Think positively about yourself” and other such drivel.
What does Joel Osteen say when people ask him about why he does not discuss God or Jesus Christ or sin or what you need to do to go to Heaven? “That’s not my gift.” What are you doing being a freaking megachurch pastor then, bonehead?!
If you are going to try to operate a religious scam, at least make it religious! I actually think that Joel Osteen operating a secular “Christian” church is more of a scandal than Ted Haggard and his transsexual prostitutes and meth! (Though not nearly as funny of a scandal).
Joel Osteen didn’t even found his megachurch; instead the business was handed down to him by his father. When Joel Osteen became the head pastor of his church, he had only preached ONE sermon in his entire life- and that was the week before. Joel Osteen does not have any training in the Bible (seminary, degrees, etc.), which is probably why he doesn’t want to talk about it much.
My loyal readers have pointed out to me many times that the ridiculous actions of leaders in religion do not invalidate their beliefs. They are absolutely correct on this. However, there has never been anything that VALIDATES their beliefs either. The Flying Spaghetti Monster has the same amount of evidence on his side as most other gods. Here is another question I put to you: Please find me a single megachurch pastor who is NOT a scam-running, meth-eating, prostitute-abusing criminal. Anyone?
Update March 3, 2008 on JOEL OSTEEN:
Many people have been discussing Joel Osteen in the comments and making statements about his beliefs, behavior and preaching methods that show a distinct lack of understanding of his profit driven motives. Below I have added a video of Joel Osteen on Larry King Live where he dances around the core question of the Christian faith: What does it take to get to heaven? Joel Osteen hems and haws and won’t even say that people of different religions won’t make it to heaven.
The partial transcript for Joel Osteen’s interview with Larry King is below. I have basically pulled out the most pertinent excerpts to the point I have tried to make on televangelist Joel Osteen.
Televangelist Joel Osteen Discusses Christianity with Larry King
First is Larry King’s impressive introduction of Joel Osteen:
LARRY KING, CNN HOST: Tonight, Joel Osteen, evangelism’s hottest rising star, pastor for the biggest congregation in the United States… Pastor Joel Osteen is here for the hour…. Joel Osteen is the author of the number one “New York Times” best-seller, “Your Best Life Now.” There you see its cover. “Seven Steps to Living at Your Full Potential.” There is now a compendium been published called “Your Best Life Now Journal,” a guide to reaching that full potential. Joel Osteen is pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. His father before him. He has been called the smiling preacher.
Larry King knows Joel Osteen Ministries is huge and tries to play nice with him throughout the interview.
KING: Why are you a preacher?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I never was for 17 years. I worked with my dad there at the church. He tried to get me to minister. I didn’t have it in me. I worked behind the scenes. I loved doing production and things. But when my father died, I just knew — I don’t know how to explain it, it sounds kind of odd, but I just knew down to here I was supposed to step up to the plate and pastor the church. And it was odd because I had never preached before. But I just knew I was supposed to do it.
Hmmm… either God gave him the “calling” or he was scared of losing his father’s multi-million dollar preaching business.
KING: But don’t you think if people don’t believe as you believe, they’re somehow condemned?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I think that happens in our society. But I try not to do that. I tell people all the time, preached a couple Sundays about it. I’m for everybody. You may not agree with me, but to me it’s not my job to try to straighten everybody out. The Gospel called the good news. My message is a message of hope, that’s God’s for you. You can live a good life no matter what’s happened to you. And so I don’t know. I know there is condemnation but I don’t feel that’s my place.
Joel Osteen comes right out and says that he will refuse to condemn sinners. He is too afraid, it’s not his place, he just wants to spew bland niceties… hmmm.
LARRY KING: Where were you ordained? OSTEEN: I was ordained from the church there, Lakewood, under my dad’s ministry.
LARRY KING: So you didn’t go to seminary?
JOEL OSTEEN: No, sir, I didn’t.
LARRY KING: They can just make you a minister?
JOEL OSTEEN: You can, you can.
Wow. Joel Osteen never even attended Bible school or classes for future preachers. No wonder he is so clueless about Biblical theology.
LARRY KING: Is it hard to lead a Christian life?
JOEL OSTEEN: I don’t think it’s that hard. To me it’s fun. We have joy and happiness. Our family — I don’t feel like that at all. I’m not trying to follow a set of rules and stuff. I’m just living my life.
LARRY KING: But you have rules, don’t you?
JOEL OSTEEN: We do have rules. But the main rule to me is to honor God with your life. To life a life of integrity. Not be selfish. You know, help others. But that’s really the essence of the Christian faith.
Of course its not hard for Joel Osteen to lead a Christian life. BECAUSE HE’S NOT!!!
LARRY KING: What if you’re Jewish or Muslim, you don’t accept Christ at all?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I’m very careful about saying who would and wouldn’t go to heaven. I don’t know …
LARRY KING: If you believe you have to believe in Christ? They’re wrong, aren’t they?
JOEL OSTEEN: Well, I don’t know if I believe they’re wrong. I believe here’s what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God with judge a person’s heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don’t know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don’t know. I’ve seen their sincerity. So I don’t know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.
The last exchange between Larry King and Joel Osteen hits the nail on the head of everything that is wrong with the Joel Osteen Ministry. All it is is fluff. He can’t even defend the single core belief of Christianity- that a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is a requirement to gain access to Heaven.
Below is more Joel Osteen preaching videos. Joel Osteen preaches on cheesy, transparent topics that have nothing to do with the Bible. He twists scripture around to serve his own purposes of mass produced drivel. My question to Joel Osteen is where in the Bible does it say Christians have a “right to total victory” over physical pain, financial problems and other issues? Did he completely miss the book of Job or the trials and tribulations that the early Christians had to suffer under the Romans? I don’t think that Joel Osteen has ever even read the Bible.
DO NOT LET JOEL OSTEEN CONTINUE TO GET AWAY WITH HIS BIBLE-CONTRADICTING, POLITICALLY CORRECT AND PROFIT SEEKING DRIVEL! JOEL OSTEEN’S SCANDAL IS OUTRAGEOUS!
Jesus once went into a temple and threw out currency traders and salespeople…. WHO WILL THROW THE SCANDAL CREATING JOEL OSTEEN OUT OF GOD’S ASTRODOME TEMPLE?
Further discussion: Joel Osteen megachurch building – Joel Osteen paid the city of Houston $90,000,000 to remodel the former home of NBA team Houston Rockets and an additional $14,000,000 to lease the building for 30 years. Preacher Joel Osteen’s megachurch does not even own the building! Pastor Joel Osteen doesn’t care though- he’ll be dead by then and this church is all about him. The most interesting thing about the new church is that there is not a SINGLE cross in the whole building! Want to know why? Joel Osteen says that he wants to remove all “stumbling blocks” from the way of people coming to his church and being comfortable. Since when has Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross been a STUMBLING BLOCK for faith?! The scandal here is that the Joel Osteen is doing and saying blasphemous things… and no one is calling him out on it. The pastor of the largest church in America won’t even follow the basic tenets of Christianity!
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Joel Osteen is unable to even keep his own family under control. Pastor Joel Olsteen’s wife, Victoria Osteen, has been fined $3,000 and is being sued for assaulting a flight attendant on her first-class trip to the playground of the rich and famous Vail, Colorado.
Bible Verses that Condemn Megachurch Pastor Joel Osteen
I have had quite a few people post in the comments asking what does it really matter what Joel Osteen believes if he’s helping people? If Joel Osteen teaches nice things, isn’t it okay for him to be a Christian pastor? I understand that my opinions of right and wrong should not sway you, but I ask you to consider what the Bible says on the matter. First, let’s take the Bible verses that are the standard definition of who is a Christian:
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 (NIV)
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 (NIV)
For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23 (NIV)
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faithand this not from yourselves, it is the gift of Godnot by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (NIV)
To summarize, the only way to be saved and go to heaven is by the grace of Jesus and by faith in God. These are the basic verses that every Christian who has accepted Christ knows. Now for the verses that clearly state that only Christians who believe the above will go to Heaven:
-John 3:3: no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.
-John 3:15: everyone who believes in him [Jesus] may have eternal life.
-John 3:18: whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of Gods one and only Son.
-John 14:6: Jesus answered: No one comes to the Father except through me
-Acts 3:23: And it shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people. (ASV)
-Acts 4:12: Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved
-Romans 10:9: Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved
-Hebrews 9:28: he [Christ] will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him
-1 John 5:12: he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
The nine quoted verses above clearly state that only Christians can go to Heaven. Now, if Joel Osteen truly believed and was a pastor of a Bible-based church, would he preach a false message of hope to people? Joel Osteen is essentially subverting the word of God, which motivated me to write this post. I am not sure why Joel would do this, but my postulation (as above) is that he is doing it for financial gain. Joel Osteens father was a pastor and he has been a pastor for a long time now and he should know better than most people the MOST basic tenets of Christianity. Ignorance is an excuse for new Christians (as long as they work at it), but not for a shepherd of the flock.
Do you know what the Bible says about false teachers like Joel Osteen?
-2 Timothy 4:3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.
-Matthew 7:15,16 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits.
-Acts 20:29-31 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves . Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.
-2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
-2 Peter 3:16,17 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
-Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
-Hebrews 13:9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.
The Bible is very, very harsh in its condemnation of people who change, twist or leave out parts of its doctrine. False leaders (Joel Osteen), to me, are more disgusting than someone who is a hypocrite (Ted Haggard).
For more information on mega church pastor Joel Osteen you can search Google with the terms joelosteen.com or joel osteen.com to find the man’s website. You could also use terms such as Joel Osteen Website or Joel Osteen Lakewood Church for other sorts of information on him.
Why do I care what Joel Osteen does or doesnt do in his church, especially seeing that I am not religious? People who are cheats, fakes, and phonies really bother me. I have written quite a few other posts on various community leaders who lead people astray for their own personal gain. My tax dollars go to support Joel Osteen (every church in America is exempt from taxes, but Joel Osteen is making millions tax-free teaching his Prosperity Message when he is basically just another self-help guru). I also am very wary of megachurch pastors (I used to attend one and have seen many on television)- they often seem to be some of the craziest people (Jim Jones-Want some Kool Aid?)
I noticed Miss Jen said joel spoke about the thing`s GOD had him to speak about, he sure did`nt speak about the thing`s GOD wanted him to speak about on the L. King show when he said he did`nt know if people were wrong for not believing on JESUS, i saw where some people posted this on this site, and i have to agree with them, and yall do to, unless you are serving some false GOD, like buda or whatever, i`m still watching to see if you followers will do what some other people on this site said, i believe they said, tell the rest of us, if joel is everything you followers say he is, explain to the rest of us, how is it possible that a preacher can go on television and say to the nation? well i would`nt say people are wrong for not beleiving on JESUS?……… with all due respect, i think you people are clueless about GOD……someone else posted this, but i will post it also…listen up followers…….if you will not confess me before men ( L King. JESUS SPEAKING ) neither will i confess you before my Father whitch is in HEAVEN… so it don`t matter what joel or any other preacher says, until you tell people they have to believe on GODS only SON JESUS, GOD JUST STAMPS YOUR STATEMENTS, VOID AND OF NON EFFECT…GOD is not impressed with feel good words, how someone makes you feel, all rubish to GOD until you confess his only son JESUS..seriously, you people need to take a short BIBLE class, you can judge if it is a just judgement, and when you judge someone for not confessing GODS SON, GOD applauds you for it…..one last thing, did you ever read? know ye not, that some day you will judge angels. so that shoots holes all through your judge not saying, judge ont means, don`t go around judging people of things you yourself are guilty of, i`ve never said and i never will say, well i would`nt say people are wrong for not believing on JESUS…so since i`ve never said or believe this, i can call it what it is, SIN SIN SIN with a capitol S, and i don`t care who said it, joel or joe blo, confess JESUS, and don`t beat around the bush about it.
I’m guessing you’ve never listened to even ONE of Joel Osteen’s sermons. He NEVER begs for money (on air) and talks about God throughout the entire sermon. He even reads scripture. *gasp!*
I’m really not sure where you get your information.
You may not agree with his theology, but you need to get your facts straight before slandering him. It appears to me that you might be the false teacher here, misleading people with your untruthful statements.
It would be awesome if you could devote your energy into building up other people instead of tearing down someone who is trying to have a postitive impact on this world.
This site just makes me sad. Is it so wrong for a pastor to strive to uplift his flock with positive messages? I’ll pray for you and whatever is hurting you today.
I cannot agree more with what Ron has said in his opinions. I am surprised to see so much critics about Joel’s work, as if they can do better when in fact they are only good at finding faults with people.
IT’S FUNNY BECAUSE WHEN I WATCH THE GUY, HE IS TALKING ABOUT GOD/CHRIST! HE USES SCRIPTURE TO SHOW YOU HOW TO LIVE A BETTER CHRISTLIKE LIFE.
JOEL OSTEEN IS A SAVIOUR, I HAVE SEEN HIM IN CALGARY AB CANADA AND, ON TV. WE NEED HIM TO COME BACK AGAIN. AT THE TIME HE WAS HERE I TOOK MY 3 CHILDREN, WHAT A BLESSING THAT WAS. JOEL HAS HELPED ALL OF US. AMEN TO HIM. LORD BLESS HIM AND VICTORIA AND MANY THANK. ROSE & FAMILY
You sound very hateful. I am thankful that Joel Osteen preaches in his bland manner as you say. His message is Universal and can be received by anyone in need of inspiration. In his lack of knowing about religion (again your claim) he has demonstrated what a person a person of faith knows…leave the judging to Almighty God. I am very grateful that Joel Osteen is the humble, kind soul that he is, if there were more Joel Osteen’s this world wouldn’t be in the turmoil that it is currently experiencing.
I really like Joel, he is very positive and you know what I am watching him right now and he constantly talks about God and Jesus Christ. He talks about having faith even when negative thoughts (“the forces of darkness”) overwhelm you and permeate your mind. I think that you are kind of a jerk. This man is reaching people with his words, his positive nature and his message. You are like the Right Wing jerks that constantly hate on Barack Obama. Someone comes along with a positive message of change, hope and faith and people like you can’t wait to tear them down and see them fall. You actually hope for them to turn out to be dirty so you can say “See I told you so.” What a sad sick little world you live in. Well I have faith that you are wrong. I hope that the people are finally turning away from the cynical, hate filled paranoia that has gripped us for so long. The pendulum is swinging away from fear, hatred & discordia to the side of hope, unity and harmony and that is a good thing.
Ya know I really dislike a lot of the T.V. preachers but every once in a while I find one that I like and that I want to believe in like Joel or Casey Treat but if Joel turns out to be just a greed driven fraud like you claim him to be, it doesn’t matter one bit ya see. No, because I believe that God is still in control and the people will get the message that He intends for them to receive regardless of the messenger. I used to know an old lady who sent money to Jimmy Swaggart all the time, now you may think her a fool who was scammed out of her money but God knows the intent of her offering so her faith was not wasted. As for the deceivers they will have to answer to God for their deeds as will all of us but it is not your place or mine to judge.
So , your take is because he hasn’t been caught he must be guilty, you are also saying that , because Joel doesn’t pass judgment on whether you go to heaven or hell, doesn’t make him a great speaker, Well I myself believe that actions speak louder than words, I would rather have a man believe in Jesus and not pound it in the sand and for me to go you know there is something different about that man or woman, the bible say you will know them by their works, would they know you by your works, MMMMMMM and no his tickets are 5 bucks to cover the event parking a etc, kind of like when you send your kids to school they charge school taxes for peeing in the pot , go figure.
The Bible, the book you profess to follow, lists 10 major sins. One of the ten major sins is bearing false witness against a neighbor. In case no one has ever explained the term to you, it means making up stuff and telling others about your fantasies and lies, as if it is true. You are violating one of the most basic laws created by God on this site. You’re website is a tool of satan and you need to repent.
Besides the ten big rules, God also talked about seven deadly sins. Jealously is in there. Your site shows you are jealous of his ability to deliver a positive view of God. So, out of seventeen essential rules that God posited, you are violating two. I’d talk to God if I were you and see if He will forgive you.
If, after you talk to God and you don’t feel moved, then you are one of the wolves that we were warned to watch for.
lew you said GODS law was broken, well even a greater law of GOD was broken when joel said he did`nt know if prople were wrong for not believing on JESUS. you spoke of bearing false witness, then you asked if it had ever been explained to the person, well have you ever had it explained to you ?, or better yet, have you never read in the Bible, judge in a right manner, not falsely, but when you say joel said, well i would`nt say people are wrong for not believing on Jesus, that`s not false judging, it is a right judgement, because joel said it. read for yourself, no yea not children of GOD, you will someday judge the angels, so to say joel was wrong for saing what he said, that`s telling it like it is, not false judging, prove me wrong. so if i were you, i`d talk to GOD and see if he will forgive you for taking up for someone who clearly denied GODS son Jesus. we love joel o, we just don`t take stock in someone who denies JESUS, like joel did on the talk show. you people are just blind, or ignorant when it comes to the teaching of the BIBLE. GOD bless, and yes GOD bless joel o as well, and give him the wisdom to tell people, yes you have to believe on JESUS.
It seems as though the osteen followers only know one verse of scripture, and that one verse is, judge not lest you be judged, and then they have that one verse so far out of context that it`s not even funny. some where down the line they have heard someone say that, but did`nt get the full meaning of the verse, i read on the webb, lakewood even has an elvis immpersonator, they call the king, elvis was no more a king than the telephone pole on your street is. he was a person and that is all, if he was a real king, he would`nt be in the six foot box beside his house, JESUS is was and for ever will be, the only KING, he is the only one fit to be called by that name, and all these other clowns are just paper kings.. i wish they would pass a law, any clown that tries to use that name, put them in prison for 20 years..JESUS is clearly the only KING, the grave could`nt hold him, the cave and the grave clothes could`nt hold lasarus either when the KING called him to come out, JESUS the KING said Lasaruss come fourth and out he came, then JESUS the king told the grave clothes that bound Lasaruss, lose him and let him go, and it was so, it was so because the real KING commanded it to happen, and it did. praise to the only KING the world will ever see, KING JESUS.
I think you are a peice of &W$$ to judge joel olsteen, who do you think you are you dung . I listen to joel all the time and all I can hear him talk about is god and what the bible TELLS us…. but Morons like yourself are so closed minded that if reallity slapped you on your @.ss like I would like to do ,,, you still would not see the light .so before you judge anyone you atheist bastard you need to take a look at your self , I dont see where you are evan worth my time to say what I have said. but may you rot in h3ll peice of *#%&……
You know I have figured it out what is wrong with you people its called Jealousy at least joel is doing what HE BELEIVES IS RIGHT …Dont like it then dont watch him simple as that.
Judge not that ye be not judged. So what if Joel Olsteen doesn’t spout standard Christian condemnation of others who don’t believe exactly the same way? I call churches like his “non-DEMONational”. It was a standard “Christian” church of my youth that drove me AWAY from God (and made me hate Jesus, especially when they tried to make me go up to the alter by embarrassing and harrassing me at the end of a service. My mentally-ill Mother made us pray daily, ending each prayer with “in Jesus name” Amen). And, the mixed messages nearly drove me crazy, too. Sing “Jesus loves the little children” in Sunday School, then go to church and listen to the pastor say those who were “bad” would be burned in hell. Well, I KNEW that my mother told me I was naughty at times, and that was BAD. What kind of a “loving” God would burn up his creations when they weren’t perfect?
What does “personal” savior mean to you? What does “unconditional” love mean? Nothing like I ever received in your conventional Christian church. I call it “spiritual abuse” because, sadly, I “bought” their sick message – If you don’t have God OUR WAY, YOU CAN’T HAVE GOD” Seems pretty hypocritical to me – to think any human(Godlike)has all the “proper” interpretations/translations/meanings of the Bible and the rest who don’t agree will “burn in hell”. I DO know the Bible – and I interpret it very differently than you do. Jesus spoke in parables, analogies, stories (and never personally wrote a single Book)….For instance, I put together “No man cometh to the Father except through me” and “What ye do to the least of these ye do unto me” MEANS God is IN everyone and what I do to ANYONE affects my relationship with God….not that I am condemned for every mistake or human failing…giving me the opportunity to examine myself and ask God to help me correct what needs correcting. Only through a 12-step recovery program did I come to “be born again” and experience an unconditionally loving God…of MY understanding, personal to me and not dictated out of fear of hell (which, by the way, was a pit outside of Jerusalem where they covered dead bodies with limestone and brimstone and burned them so people wouldn’t get sick – great analogy for what happens to someone ON EARTH when they try to be God themselves and live on self-will run riot. In fact, I would imagine mommies of those days threatened their kids with going to “Hades” if they misbehaved in order to try to CONTROL them…much like some “Christian” churches do today. Personally, I have returned to churches like Unity (healing) and occasionally some Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian churches where I do my best to find God. However, I get my true spirituality in the daily meetings, readings, prayer, meditation and contact with other recovering (“born-again”)persons who speak the truth (testimony/witness)from their hearts. Maybe you can use some of my experience, strength and hope in your ministry. I will be praying for you and all those whose lives you influence.
I want to say im very sorry to all the christian peoplet hat read my messages to the moron that created this website Im not a devoted christian like I once was but I do know god and for someone like this person makes me so mad … I would die for my lord jesus and I will stand up for JOEL OLSTEEN ANYDAY ,WHAT HE SAYS COMES FROM GODS WORD AND HIS HEART GOD BLESS JOEL OLSTEEN……
FARMER there is no excuse for using this kind of lingo, then turn right around and say you love JESUS. if you know so much about the BIBLE, explain to the rest of us lesser likes why joel said what he did on the king show…………..And DEB you said you did`nt believe GOD would burn his creation in hell, well the BIBLE says you are dead wrong, the BIBLE says clearly that if you are not in GODS will he will surely see to it that we spend eternaty in a place called hell, you can read it for your self, it`s in your BIBLE….in his will, meaning saved……you said you have your own interpretations, well i have a friend like that, he makes his own meanings, but GODS rules are the same for everyone,what it says is what it means, so dear if GOD says he will send you to hell, he will surely do it, no matter what your interpretation is……
EDDIE you said you would follow joel any day, well anyone who says they don`t know if people are wrong for not believing on JESUS, well wheather it`s joel or joe blo, eddie the only place you will follow this kind of teaching is right straight through the wide gate spoke of in revelations, you can not support anyone, no matter who it is that makes this insane statement. yes yes yes, you have to believe on JESUS to enter in the narrow gate spoke of in Revelations.
Tell him Burt, yes you do have to believe on JESUS, end of story, period plain and simlpe.
DEB here it is, hell is being seperated from GOD for all eternaty, don`t know about any pit outside of Jerusalem. we don`t have anything against joel o, we just don`t put any stock in a person that says he don`t know if people are wrong for not believing on JESUS. and if you are wise you won`t put any in them either.
Eddie said joel was doing what he thought was right, how could you possibly in a trillion years say you don`t know if people are wrong for not believing on JESUS? Dear GOD help us all, and show joel o the error of his teaching, reveal to him FATHER GOD IN THE NAME OF JESUS, YES YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE ON JESUS TO MAKE IT TO HEAVEN.