SUPER FUNNY UPDATE ON JOEL OSTEEN: Check out Joel Osteen’s super scammy books he sells on Amazon (24!!!) including his self help BS book
and his hilarious book on “Wise Choices”. If only he’d follow his own advice!
LOL! For all you Joel Osteen fanboys – remember he just cynically feeds on you to make money so he can live his fancy lifestyle. He couldn’t care less about you in reality.
Popular televangelist preacher Joel Osteen has been named the “Most Influential Christian in America” in 2006 by the Church Report, was one of
Barbara Walters, “10 Most Fascinating People of 2006 and operates an extraordinarily profitable religious scam operation that probably will one day end in scandal.
So who is this guy who has appeared on 60 Minutes, Larry King Live and has his own television shows?
Who is this guy who thinks he can share the mighty name of Joel?
Joel Osteen has not yet had major sex scandals, drug scandals or molestation scandals like the other megachurch pastors: Pat Robertson, Al Sharpton, Ted Haggard, Paul Barnes, D.E. (Earl) Paulk, Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker, William Dodd and too many others to possibly mention here. What Joel Osteen DOESN’T do is the real question.
In his sermons, Joel Osteen does not talk about God. Joel Osteen instead talks about almost everything except God. He has a television ministry, a massive church, $43 million a year in tithes and another $36 million a year in mailed in donations, but he won’t talk about God. He, like Pastor Kevin Gerald, talks about more pleasant topics, such as donating money to him and positive thinking. He has written two books, the second of which sold 3 million copies, but his books don’t really talk about God either. It’s just his bland and boring advice on how to live a happy life that has been thought of by other people first, “Think positively about yourself” and other such drivel.
What does Joel Osteen say when people ask him about why he does not discuss God or Jesus Christ or sin or what you need to do to go to Heaven? “That’s not my gift.” What are you doing being a freaking megachurch pastor then, bonehead?!
If you are going to try to operate a religious scam, at least make it religious! I actually think that Joel Osteen operating a secular “Christian” church is more of a scandal than Ted Haggard and his transsexual prostitutes and meth! (Though not nearly as funny of a scandal).
Joel Osteen didn’t even found his megachurch; instead the business was handed down to him by his father. When Joel Osteen became the head pastor of his church, he had only preached ONE sermon in his entire life- and that was the week before. Joel Osteen does not have any training in the Bible (seminary, degrees, etc.), which is probably why he doesn’t want to talk about it much.
My loyal readers have pointed out to me many times that the ridiculous actions of leaders in religion do not invalidate their beliefs. They are absolutely correct on this. However, there has never been anything that VALIDATES their beliefs either. The Flying Spaghetti Monster has the same amount of evidence on his side as most other gods. Here is another question I put to you: Please find me a single megachurch pastor who is NOT a scam-running, meth-eating, prostitute-abusing criminal. Anyone?
Update March 3, 2008 on JOEL OSTEEN:
Many people have been discussing Joel Osteen in the comments and making statements about his beliefs, behavior and preaching methods that show a distinct lack of understanding of his profit driven motives. Below I have added a video of Joel Osteen on Larry King Live where he dances around the core question of the Christian faith: What does it take to get to heaven? Joel Osteen hems and haws and won’t even say that people of different religions won’t make it to heaven.
The partial transcript for Joel Osteen’s interview with Larry King is below. I have basically pulled out the most pertinent excerpts to the point I have tried to make on televangelist Joel Osteen.
Televangelist Joel Osteen Discusses Christianity with Larry King
First is Larry King’s impressive introduction of Joel Osteen:
LARRY KING, CNN HOST: Tonight, Joel Osteen, evangelism’s hottest rising star, pastor for the biggest congregation in the United States… Pastor Joel Osteen is here for the hour…. Joel Osteen is the author of the number one “New York Times” best-seller, “Your Best Life Now.” There you see its cover. “Seven Steps to Living at Your Full Potential.” There is now a compendium been published called “Your Best Life Now Journal,” a guide to reaching that full potential. Joel Osteen is pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. His father before him. He has been called the smiling preacher.
Larry King knows Joel Osteen Ministries is huge and tries to play nice with him throughout the interview.
KING: Why are you a preacher?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I never was for 17 years. I worked with my dad there at the church. He tried to get me to minister. I didn’t have it in me. I worked behind the scenes. I loved doing production and things. But when my father died, I just knew — I don’t know how to explain it, it sounds kind of odd, but I just knew down to here I was supposed to step up to the plate and pastor the church. And it was odd because I had never preached before. But I just knew I was supposed to do it.
Hmmm… either God gave him the “calling” or he was scared of losing his father’s multi-million dollar preaching business.
KING: But don’t you think if people don’t believe as you believe, they’re somehow condemned?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I think that happens in our society. But I try not to do that. I tell people all the time, preached a couple Sundays about it. I’m for everybody. You may not agree with me, but to me it’s not my job to try to straighten everybody out. The Gospel called the good news. My message is a message of hope, that’s God’s for you. You can live a good life no matter what’s happened to you. And so I don’t know. I know there is condemnation but I don’t feel that’s my place.
Joel Osteen comes right out and says that he will refuse to condemn sinners. He is too afraid, it’s not his place, he just wants to spew bland niceties… hmmm.
LARRY KING: Where were you ordained? OSTEEN: I was ordained from the church there, Lakewood, under my dad’s ministry.
LARRY KING: So you didn’t go to seminary?
JOEL OSTEEN: No, sir, I didn’t.
LARRY KING: They can just make you a minister?
JOEL OSTEEN: You can, you can.
Wow. Joel Osteen never even attended Bible school or classes for future preachers. No wonder he is so clueless about Biblical theology.
LARRY KING: Is it hard to lead a Christian life?
JOEL OSTEEN: I don’t think it’s that hard. To me it’s fun. We have joy and happiness. Our family — I don’t feel like that at all. I’m not trying to follow a set of rules and stuff. I’m just living my life.
LARRY KING: But you have rules, don’t you?
JOEL OSTEEN: We do have rules. But the main rule to me is to honor God with your life. To life a life of integrity. Not be selfish. You know, help others. But that’s really the essence of the Christian faith.
Of course its not hard for Joel Osteen to lead a Christian life. BECAUSE HE’S NOT!!!
LARRY KING: What if you’re Jewish or Muslim, you don’t accept Christ at all?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I’m very careful about saying who would and wouldn’t go to heaven. I don’t know …
LARRY KING: If you believe you have to believe in Christ? They’re wrong, aren’t they?
JOEL OSTEEN: Well, I don’t know if I believe they’re wrong. I believe here’s what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God with judge a person’s heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don’t know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don’t know. I’ve seen their sincerity. So I don’t know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.
The last exchange between Larry King and Joel Osteen hits the nail on the head of everything that is wrong with the Joel Osteen Ministry. All it is is fluff. He can’t even defend the single core belief of Christianity- that a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is a requirement to gain access to Heaven.
Below is more Joel Osteen preaching videos. Joel Osteen preaches on cheesy, transparent topics that have nothing to do with the Bible. He twists scripture around to serve his own purposes of mass produced drivel. My question to Joel Osteen is where in the Bible does it say Christians have a “right to total victory” over physical pain, financial problems and other issues? Did he completely miss the book of Job or the trials and tribulations that the early Christians had to suffer under the Romans? I don’t think that Joel Osteen has ever even read the Bible.
DO NOT LET JOEL OSTEEN CONTINUE TO GET AWAY WITH HIS BIBLE-CONTRADICTING, POLITICALLY CORRECT AND PROFIT SEEKING DRIVEL! JOEL OSTEEN’S SCANDAL IS OUTRAGEOUS!
Jesus once went into a temple and threw out currency traders and salespeople…. WHO WILL THROW THE SCANDAL CREATING JOEL OSTEEN OUT OF GOD’S ASTRODOME TEMPLE?
Further discussion: Joel Osteen megachurch building – Joel Osteen paid the city of Houston $90,000,000 to remodel the former home of NBA team Houston Rockets and an additional $14,000,000 to lease the building for 30 years. Preacher Joel Osteen’s megachurch does not even own the building! Pastor Joel Osteen doesn’t care though- he’ll be dead by then and this church is all about him. The most interesting thing about the new church is that there is not a SINGLE cross in the whole building! Want to know why? Joel Osteen says that he wants to remove all “stumbling blocks” from the way of people coming to his church and being comfortable. Since when has Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross been a STUMBLING BLOCK for faith?! The scandal here is that the Joel Osteen is doing and saying blasphemous things… and no one is calling him out on it. The pastor of the largest church in America won’t even follow the basic tenets of Christianity!
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Joel Osteen is unable to even keep his own family under control. Pastor Joel Olsteen’s wife, Victoria Osteen, has been fined $3,000 and is being sued for assaulting a flight attendant on her first-class trip to the playground of the rich and famous Vail, Colorado.
Bible Verses that Condemn Megachurch Pastor Joel Osteen
I have had quite a few people post in the comments asking what does it really matter what Joel Osteen believes if he’s helping people? If Joel Osteen teaches nice things, isn’t it okay for him to be a Christian pastor? I understand that my opinions of right and wrong should not sway you, but I ask you to consider what the Bible says on the matter. First, let’s take the Bible verses that are the standard definition of who is a Christian:
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 (NIV)
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 (NIV)
For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23 (NIV)
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faithand this not from yourselves, it is the gift of Godnot by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (NIV)
To summarize, the only way to be saved and go to heaven is by the grace of Jesus and by faith in God. These are the basic verses that every Christian who has accepted Christ knows. Now for the verses that clearly state that only Christians who believe the above will go to Heaven:
-John 3:3: no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.
-John 3:15: everyone who believes in him [Jesus] may have eternal life.
-John 3:18: whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of Gods one and only Son.
-John 14:6: Jesus answered: No one comes to the Father except through me
-Acts 3:23: And it shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people. (ASV)
-Acts 4:12: Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved
-Romans 10:9: Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved
-Hebrews 9:28: he [Christ] will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him
-1 John 5:12: he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
The nine quoted verses above clearly state that only Christians can go to Heaven. Now, if Joel Osteen truly believed and was a pastor of a Bible-based church, would he preach a false message of hope to people? Joel Osteen is essentially subverting the word of God, which motivated me to write this post. I am not sure why Joel would do this, but my postulation (as above) is that he is doing it for financial gain. Joel Osteens father was a pastor and he has been a pastor for a long time now and he should know better than most people the MOST basic tenets of Christianity. Ignorance is an excuse for new Christians (as long as they work at it), but not for a shepherd of the flock.
Do you know what the Bible says about false teachers like Joel Osteen?
-2 Timothy 4:3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.
-Matthew 7:15,16 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits.
-Acts 20:29-31 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves . Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.
-2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
-2 Peter 3:16,17 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
-Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
-Hebrews 13:9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.
The Bible is very, very harsh in its condemnation of people who change, twist or leave out parts of its doctrine. False leaders (Joel Osteen), to me, are more disgusting than someone who is a hypocrite (Ted Haggard).
For more information on mega church pastor Joel Osteen you can search Google with the terms joelosteen.com or joel osteen.com to find the man’s website. You could also use terms such as Joel Osteen Website or Joel Osteen Lakewood Church for other sorts of information on him.
Why do I care what Joel Osteen does or doesnt do in his church, especially seeing that I am not religious? People who are cheats, fakes, and phonies really bother me. I have written quite a few other posts on various community leaders who lead people astray for their own personal gain. My tax dollars go to support Joel Osteen (every church in America is exempt from taxes, but Joel Osteen is making millions tax-free teaching his Prosperity Message when he is basically just another self-help guru). I also am very wary of megachurch pastors (I used to attend one and have seen many on television)- they often seem to be some of the craziest people (Jim Jones-Want some Kool Aid?)
Not a great follower but trying my best to live a good honest life. Never studied the bible. I’m sure I have a lot to learn. This may be wrong to say, but it always seems to stick with me. “GOD made man, and man made religion.” There are people all over the world, in many odd environments, who grow up without ever getting the chance to learn about GOD or religion in any maner. Does that mean they have no chance of getting to heaven? I would hope not. Maybe some people never get the chance to learn about GOD, Jesus or any religion. Won’t GOD judge them accordingly? What about people who die at a young age?
As for Joel Osteen, I’ve watched his show a few times and as a believer in GOD but not the best follower, I come away with a message of wanting to be a better person with a desire to build a better relationship with GOD. While his method may not live up to someone’s standard, if he is making others feel the same was as I do from watching him, I don’t see the bad from it.
The BIBLE says the end of days, the end of life as we know it, will not happen until the gospel of JESUS is preached to the entire world, that is fastly happening, ever human on planet earth has nearly heard of JESUS, the satellite beams the whole planet, so nearly everyone has heard the gospel, and the very few that has`nt, will. strange that GOD would cause this to happen, use to be when something happened on the other side of the world, you would see it on the news or read about it in the paper, now we can watch things all over the world live, play by play just as it unfolds. in my dads day this was not possible, the BIBLE says that every eye will see JESUS when he returns, hint hint, satellite technology. then the BIBLE says you will hear of wars and rumors of war, but worry not, because the end is not yet, there are people trying to tell people when the end will be, well you can be sure they are just talking, b/c the BIBLE says not the angels, not the son, but the FATHER only knows when the end will be. but having said that, there are still some preachers that will try to tell you when JESUS will return, i heard a teacher named crefflo dollar say, o somewhere around 2010 to 2013 JESUS will come back, i guarantee you he will be proven wrong..GOD BLESS YOU WHO AM I.
O i meant to tell you who am i, there are men on this earth right now that are saying they are JESUS, look at david coresh, who said he was the son of GOD, there was a man in the little town of OSCEOLA, ARK, who dawned a long flowing white robe, had a beard and long hair, he would stand on the street corner and gaze at the passer bys, he would tell them he was JESUS, real scary, but the BIBLE says these people will come, the head lines in the paper and the BIBLE nearly match, any one that is honest with there self will admitt this. GOD BLESS DEAR.
Its’ funny how many people watch Religulous once and jump on the anti-christian bandwagon. It’s what all the cool kids are doing!
1.disagree completely with your doom and gloom, fire and brimstone outlook. 2.believers of other faiths will get to heaven, and 3.God does want me to live a righteous, fulfilled, abundant life. you can try to tell mem otherwise, but your argument falls on deaf ears. stop looking for scams and scandals they will come along of their own accord. a person’s time is better spent rising above the bs. if Joel Osteen works for only one other person that’s a life turned around, and put on a better path.
Theres only one faith, true faith that is, it`s the Gospell of JESUS. all others will fall short. even though i disagree with your teaching Joel, MERRY CHRISTMAS to you and family, GOD bless you.
Someone said something about doom and gloom, well truth is there will be doom and gloom, i call it reality. the saddest 12 words you`ll ever hear in your human sojourn,1.depart 2.from 3.me 4.you 5.who 6.work 7.iniquity 8.for 9.i 10.never 11.knew 12.you…..in simple terms, that means if we should hear these words from our LORD JESUS, it`s all over, we are hell bound, remember i did`nt say this, JESUS did…so based on that scripture, there will be a hell fire and brimstone, because JESUS said there will be…we may not want to hear it, but it don`t change the fact that it will happen my friend, JESUS said it will happen, and he can not lie, its said GOD can do anything, well thats the one thing he can`t do, and that`s to lie…scares me to my friend, but i know if i`m not right in the sight of GOD, i will face this doom and gloom you talk about. i know some good people who believe they can do anything in life they want to do, as long as they say they believe on JESUS it`s ok, well there is a said faith and there is a real faith, i guarantee you, it cost you something to follow JESUS, lot`s of time, studying, money, and helping others, thats alot on anybodys plate. GOD BLESS.
I totally disagree with the comment.
If you have studied God’s Word long enough
you will realize Joel’s whole teaching is based
on God’s Matchless Word.
In the New Testament it is about our walk with
God in Christ in Us. Which is the grace administration,
we are living in this administration now.
It is important to know
I totally disagree with this comment.
If you have studied God’s Word long enough you will realize
that the Word of God is exactly what Joel Osteen is talking about.
It is important to know that our walk with God stems from the New Testament teachings. We can learn from the Old Testament of course
but the New Testament is written for us today. It’s the practical application of the Word of God that quit a few churches miss out on when they are preaching.
Just to preach the Word without the practical application will benefit because it is God’s Word but people will leave the service without a clue as to what to do for themselves to improve their situation, improve their lives, get results. It is the practical application of God’s Word that makes the difference.
For instance the renewed mind, if we do not change our thinking to what the Word says we don’t change. Put off the old put on the new. Joel encourages this each time I hear him preach.
The world around us has doctrines of men. We need the doctrines of God’s Word to really live that abundant life that Jesus Christ came to give us.
Fantastic!
For not being a follower of the Christian faith, whoever wrote this article nailed it! I saw one of his television specials back in 2006…I was scared out of my mind.
Hippocrates are easier to tolerate than false leaders. If one causes someone to stumble, they are guilty as well.
Passion for wellness, could you explain how it is that Brother Joel said on the larry king show?, he said, quote, he did`nt know if people were wrong for not believing on Jesus, i`m not the perfect christian, but GOD i wish i was, i could sure sleep better at night, but even i know you have to believe on Jesus, if you don`t, then you are`nt saved.
Since the first words of God were first spoken, there have been people
trying to bring good men of God down. While it is true some have
brought there self down, and all of us have been places we should not
have been. All men of do not have to speak fire and brimstone.Weather he is right or wrong only God knows.Perhaps it is time to preach love
and positive things. The Bible says that the truth will set you free
You have a right to express your thoughts, as well as he does, but one would wander if you have the fallowing he has.
Thanks
Geez, Joel Gross, if you are only trying to create user-generated content via comments over a controversial religious post, I think that you are sinking to a new low.
If you really feel that Joel Osteen is perpetrating a fraud by scamming the government (via millions in tax-free earnings) and robbing innocent people out of their money, then you should do more than just write a post.Really expose him, find a way to demand that he prove that he is in the least, following goverment regulations. Write letters to our state senator or to the President, but do something other than provoke a bunch of innocent people of lesser means and resources, who are more than likely ill-equppied to help themselves and fight someone as wealthy and manipulative as Joel Osteen seems to be.if you actually cared, you’d do more than just a write a blog.
Really helping people takes courage and sacrifice. Awesome that you are providing people with additional information about this guy, but if he is really causing people harm AND you know that he is, you are just guilty for allowing it.
You do have flaws in your argument, though in all fairness you make good points, at times.
However, it seems to me, regarding the arguments you make against religion and faith are disappointing and sad. Millions of people around the world have faith and continue to believe in God or some other greater power or greater good.And I think even if they were wrong about the existence of God, at least they held some facet of their life a commitment and passion for something greater and provoking one to be giving and helpful to those in need. Because in doing taking time away from living a selfish life, they learn to find peace in doing things that not only help others via the good deed, but also by reinforcing the person choosing help others. People come to realize that life is precious and fleeting, helping others, in a way, is it’s own heaven regardless because, the act of kindess continues to spread from one person to the next, even long after the person’s kindness and generosity.
I think every person who has ever been there for you in your life and every person who has somehow given you “something,” be it a hug, a free meal, a genuine piece of advice, love and care all serve as proof to the existence of a God. Somehow, you have been “lucky” in your life. Somehow, you were “lucky” enough to have survived a traumatic childhood, somehow when you’re car had broken down, your face bloody from being smashed into the pavement and when nobody was around to help you move… Somehow, you found your way to people who really cared and made sure to be there for you when you needed them most.Some of those people you knew a few years, some for a lifetime and some only for a few weeks. But, no, you’re just lucky.
I plain forgot my point. Ah well, whatever. Good for you Mr. Lucky and your link bait for creating user-generated content and garnering #1 rankings in an easy query.I hope that isn’t your sole motivation for this blog post. I think you should take your blog and make it real. Do more to help others, especially when you know you can. This blog and your opinion against this guy means nothing if people are still being taken advantage of.
I think that is what your issue really is, it’s hard for you to really connect with others because you’ve forgotten how put anyone else’s needs above your own. Your needs and wants always come first. Maybe you need to balance that out a little. Go spend more time with your family, do some volunteer work, do something more than what you are doing now. Clearly what you are doing now isn’t providing you any sort of peace in your heart. You just seem so lost and destructive.
And last note: Joel Osteen, if you are reading this, you’re a spineless, unethical,cowardly douchebag.For the love of God, if you, Joel Osteen, have any sort of soul beneath your overpriced suits, you would do everything your power to give that money back to where it came from or utilize all of that money to help the less fortunate people around the world. Shame, shame, shame on Joel Osteen.
To the author here (I can’t find your name on this site), I simply ask you to consider your judgement of Joel Osteen and search your heart to learn honestly why you are so harsh.
I am a follower of Christ (a Catholic Christian) and I have watched Joel’s preaching, read one of his books. I know a bit about his history and that of his church. I freely acknowledge that his message is one of hope and a loving, favor giving God while low keying the necessity of repentance for sin and following the teachings of Christ. But I believe God is real, loving, merciful and in control. His ways are far beyond my understanding, but I believe he uses different people in ways to bring people to Him. Joel may be “Christianity light” but it seems to draw people in and motivate them to seek a more Godly life. Could it be that his message motivates a non believer to become a student of the Bible and seek to grow toward a Christian life?
I don’t know what he does with all the money he makes, but I hope much of it is used to further the Christian ministry according to the Bible. I don’t feel that he is an evil, greedy or twisted person (as I did about Jim & Tammy Bakker) and I hope I’m right.
I would say cut him some slack and seek to soften your anger. Does he do more good in the world than bad? I would say yes.
Not true on the $360 per seat comment. I went to see him in an arena for TEN BUCKS!
I Don’t appreciate all the judgment from the media Nor do I care for the remarks and accusations ,, Joel is very positive, and seems very capable to teach positive motivational words our God would like us to hear … My take is if you don’t have anything positive and good to say about someone then please keep it to your self ,,, don’t be a part of the seven headed dragon poring out its lies and evil to mankind ..We all have the choice to listen or not make yours and do it peacefully and move on ,,,
Don M
and thanks Joel you and your blessing from God have helped me!
Don hit the nail on the head, he said joel is a good motivational speaker, and that`s what he is,just a motivational speaker…Ron said he had a big following, so what, the antichrist will have a big following also…..but could one of you BIBLE scholars that have all the answers tell the rest of us, how can a preacher ( joel o ) say he does`nt know if people are wrong for not believing on JESUS? that`s what he said on the king show.
I think people should`nt call joel names, that`s not what the disscusion is about. some nasty woman called joel a d bag, that`s not GODLY…but really, the antichrist following will make all preachers following, look a like a small croud on the corner. joel and his family should be treated with love and respect, the same thing the rest of us would want, but if someones doctrine is wrong, you should point it out, don`t worry about their money, just tell them of their error. so when joel said on the king show, he did`nt know if people were wrong for not believing on JESUS, that was as wrong as anything could ever be, of course you have to believe on JESUS, if you don`t you have no worry or chance of seeing GODS kingdom, and that`s just the plain truth, i hope one day joel o realizes this, because his eternal destiny hinges on this truth. GOD BLESS ALL. MERRY CHRISTMAS.
I am sorry however, I couldn’t disagree with you more. He is absolutely correct about not being the judge. The Lord God tells us not to judge as we do not know a mans heart. Thank God this is a man finally getting out the true Christian message. I ask you to have your private time with the Lord and not the internet..If you seek Him earnestly without the anger in your heart, He will point you to all truths and then you will see the message Joel is preaching..
i listed to your crap saying joel is a fraud and whoever says that is sent of satan maybe you need your heart to open up to seeing beyod the world and what the world says and thinks amen