Joel Osteen: Megachurch Televangelist Pastor without Christ?! SCANDAL!

SUPER FUNNY UPDATE ON JOEL OSTEEN: Check out Joel Osteen’s super scammy books he sells on Amazon (24!!!) including his self help BS book
and his hilarious book on “Wise Choices”. If only he’d follow his own advice!
LOL! For all you Joel Osteen fanboys – remember he just cynically feeds on you to make money so he can live his fancy lifestyle. He couldn’t care less about you in reality.

Popular televangelist preacher Joel Osteen has been named the “Most Influential Christian in America” in 2006 by the Church Report, was one ofJoel Osteen Scandal Man Barbara Walters, “10 Most Fascinating People of 2006 and operates an extraordinarily profitable religious scam operation that probably will one day end in scandal.

So who is this guy who has appeared on 60 Minutes, Larry King Live and has his own television shows?

Who is this guy who thinks he can share the mighty name of Joel?

Joel Osteen has not yet had major sex scandals, drug scandals or molestation scandals like the other megachurch pastors: Pat Robertson, Al Sharpton, Ted Haggard, Paul Barnes, D.E. (Earl) Paulk, Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker, William Dodd and too many others to possibly mention here. What Joel Osteen DOESN’T do is the real question.

In his sermons, Joel Osteen does not talk about God. Joel Osteen instead talks about almost everything except God. He has a television ministry, a massive church, $43 million a year in tithes and another $36 million a year in mailed in donations, but he won’t talk about God. He, like Pastor Kevin Gerald, talks about more pleasant topics, such as donating money to him and positive thinking. He has written two books, the second of which sold 3 million copies, but his books don’t really talk about God either. It’s just his bland and boring advice on how to live a happy life that has been thought of by other people first, “Think positively about yourself” and other such drivel.

What does Joel Osteen say when people ask him about why he does not discuss God or Jesus Christ or sin or what you need to do to go to Heaven? “That’s not my gift.” What are you doing being a freaking megachurch pastor then, bonehead?!

If you are going to try to operate a religious scam, at least make it religious! I actually think that Joel Osteen operating a secular “Christian” church is more of a scandal than Ted Haggard and his transsexual prostitutes and meth! (Though not nearly as funny of a scandal).

Joel Osteen didn’t even found his megachurch; instead the business was handed down to him by his father. When Joel Osteen became the head pastor of his church, he had only preached ONE sermon in his entire life- and that was the week before. Joel Osteen does not have any training in the Bible (seminary, degrees, etc.), which is probably why he doesn’t want to talk about it much.Joel Osteen & Barbara Walters

My loyal readers have pointed out to me many times that the ridiculous actions of leaders in religion do not invalidate their beliefs. They are absolutely correct on this. However, there has never been anything that VALIDATES their beliefs either. The Flying Spaghetti Monster has the same amount of evidence on his side as most other gods. Here is another question I put to you: Please find me a single megachurch pastor who is NOT a scam-running, meth-eating, prostitute-abusing criminal. Anyone?

Update March 3, 2008 on JOEL OSTEEN:

Many people have been discussing Joel Osteen in the comments and making statements about his beliefs, behavior and preaching methods that show a distinct lack of understanding of his profit driven motives. Below I have added a video of Joel Osteen on Larry King Live where he dances around the core question of the Christian faith: What does it take to get to heaven? Joel Osteen hems and haws and won’t even say that people of different religions won’t make it to heaven.

The partial transcript for Joel Osteen’s interview with Larry King is below. I have basically pulled out the most pertinent excerpts to the point I have tried to make on televangelist Joel Osteen.

Televangelist Joel Osteen Discusses Christianity with Larry King

First is Larry King’s impressive introduction of Joel Osteen:

LARRY KING, CNN HOST: Tonight, Joel Osteen, evangelism’s hottest rising star, pastor for the biggest congregation in the United States… Pastor Joel Osteen is here for the hour…. Joel Osteen is the author of the number one “New York Times” best-seller, “Your Best Life Now.” There you see its cover. “Seven Steps to Living at Your Full Potential.” There is now a compendium been published called “Your Best Life Now Journal,” a guide to reaching that full potential. Joel Osteen is pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. His father before him. He has been called the smiling preacher.

Larry King knows Joel Osteen Ministries is huge and tries to play nice with him throughout the interview.

KING: Why are you a preacher?

JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I never was for 17 years. I worked with my dad there at the church. He tried to get me to minister. I didn’t have it in me. I worked behind the scenes. I loved doing production and things. But when my father died, I just knew — I don’t know how to explain it, it sounds kind of odd, but I just knew down to here I was supposed to step up to the plate and pastor the church. And it was odd because I had never preached before. But I just knew I was supposed to do it.

Hmmm… either God gave him the “calling” or he was scared of losing his father’s multi-million dollar preaching business.

KING: But don’t you think if people don’t believe as you believe, they’re somehow condemned?

JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I think that happens in our society. But I try not to do that. I tell people all the time, preached a couple Sundays about it. I’m for everybody. You may not agree with me, but to me it’s not my job to try to straighten everybody out. The Gospel called the good news. My message is a message of hope, that’s God’s for you. You can live a good life no matter what’s happened to you. And so I don’t know. I know there is condemnation but I don’t feel that’s my place.

Joel Osteen comes right out and says that he will refuse to condemn sinners. He is too afraid, it’s not his place, he just wants to spew bland niceties… hmmm.

LARRY KING: Where were you ordained? OSTEEN: I was ordained from the church there, Lakewood, under my dad’s ministry.

LARRY KING: So you didn’t go to seminary?

JOEL OSTEEN: No, sir, I didn’t.

LARRY KING: They can just make you a minister?

JOEL OSTEEN: You can, you can.

Wow. Joel Osteen never even attended Bible school or classes for future preachers. No wonder he is so clueless about Biblical theology.

LARRY KING: Is it hard to lead a Christian life?

JOEL OSTEEN: I don’t think it’s that hard. To me it’s fun. We have joy and happiness. Our family — I don’t feel like that at all. I’m not trying to follow a set of rules and stuff. I’m just living my life.

LARRY KING: But you have rules, don’t you?

JOEL OSTEEN: We do have rules. But the main rule to me is to honor God with your life. To life a life of integrity. Not be selfish. You know, help others. But that’s really the essence of the Christian faith.

Of course its not hard for Joel Osteen to lead a Christian life. BECAUSE HE’S NOT!!!

LARRY KING: What if you’re Jewish or Muslim, you don’t accept Christ at all?

JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I’m very careful about saying who would and wouldn’t go to heaven. I don’t know …

LARRY KING: If you believe you have to believe in Christ? They’re wrong, aren’t they?

JOEL OSTEEN: Well, I don’t know if I believe they’re wrong. I believe here’s what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God with judge a person’s heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don’t know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don’t know. I’ve seen their sincerity. So I don’t know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.

The last exchange between Larry King and Joel Osteen hits the nail on the head of everything that is wrong with the Joel Osteen Ministry. All it is is fluff. He can’t even defend the single core belief of Christianity- that a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is a requirement to gain access to Heaven.

Below is more Joel Osteen preaching videos. Joel Osteen preaches on cheesy, transparent topics that have nothing to do with the Bible. He twists scripture around to serve his own purposes of mass produced drivel. My question to Joel Osteen is where in the Bible does it say Christians have a “right to total victory” over physical pain, financial problems and other issues? Did he completely miss the book of Job or the trials and tribulations that the early Christians had to suffer under the Romans? I don’t think that Joel Osteen has ever even read the Bible.

DO NOT LET JOEL OSTEEN CONTINUE TO GET AWAY WITH HIS BIBLE-CONTRADICTING, POLITICALLY CORRECT AND PROFIT SEEKING DRIVEL! JOEL OSTEEN’S SCANDAL IS OUTRAGEOUS!

Jesus once went into a temple and threw out currency traders and salespeople…. WHO WILL THROW THE SCANDAL CREATING JOEL OSTEEN OUT OF GOD’S ASTRODOME TEMPLE?

Further discussion: Joel Osteen megachurch building – Joel Osteen paid the city of Houston $90,000,000 to remodel the former home of NBA team Houston Rockets and an additional $14,000,000 to lease the building for 30 years. Preacher Joel Osteen’s megachurch does not even own the building! Pastor Joel Osteen doesn’t care though- he’ll be dead by then and this church is all about him. The most interesting thing about the new church is that there is not a SINGLE cross in the whole building! Want to know why? Joel Osteen says that he wants to remove all “stumbling blocks” from the way of people coming to his church and being comfortable. Since when has Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross been a STUMBLING BLOCK for faith?! The scandal here is that the Joel Osteen is doing and saying blasphemous things… and no one is calling him out on it. The pastor of the largest church in America won’t even follow the basic tenets of Christianity!

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Joel Osteen is unable to even keep his own family under control. Pastor Joel Olsteen’s wife, Victoria Osteen, has been fined $3,000 and is being sued for assaulting a flight attendant on her first-class trip to the playground of the rich and famous Vail, Colorado.

Bible Verses that Condemn Megachurch Pastor Joel Osteen

I have had quite a few people post in the comments asking what does it really matter what Joel Osteen believes if he’s helping people? If Joel Osteen teaches nice things, isn’t it okay for him to be a Christian pastor? I understand that my opinions of right and wrong should not sway you, but I ask you to consider what the Bible says on the matter. First, let’s take the Bible verses that are the standard definition of who is a Christian:

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 (NIV)

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 (NIV)

For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23 (NIV)

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faithand this not from yourselves, it is the gift of Godnot by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (NIV)

To summarize, the only way to be saved and go to heaven is by the grace of Jesus and by faith in God. These are the basic verses that every Christian who has accepted Christ knows. Now for the verses that clearly state that only Christians who believe the above will go to Heaven:

-John 3:3: no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.
-John 3:15: everyone who believes in him [Jesus] may have eternal life.
-John 3:18: whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of Gods one and only Son.
-John 14:6: Jesus answered: No one comes to the Father except through me
-Acts 3:23: And it shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people. (ASV)
-Acts 4:12: Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved
-Romans 10:9: Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved
-Hebrews 9:28: he [Christ] will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him
-1 John 5:12: he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

The nine quoted verses above clearly state that only Christians can go to Heaven. Now, if Joel Osteen truly believed and was a pastor of a Bible-based church, would he preach a false message of hope to people? Joel Osteen is essentially subverting the word of God, which motivated me to write this post. I am not sure why Joel would do this, but my postulation (as above) is that he is doing it for financial gain. Joel Osteens father was a pastor and he has been a pastor for a long time now and he should know better than most people the MOST basic tenets of Christianity. Ignorance is an excuse for new Christians (as long as they work at it), but not for a shepherd of the flock.

Do you know what the Bible says about false teachers like Joel Osteen?

-2 Timothy 4:3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.

-Matthew 7:15,16 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits.

-Acts 20:29-31 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves . Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.

-2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

-2 Peter 3:16,17 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;

-Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

-Hebrews 13:9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.

The Bible is very, very harsh in its condemnation of people who change, twist or leave out parts of its doctrine. False leaders (Joel Osteen), to me, are more disgusting than someone who is a hypocrite (Ted Haggard).

For more information on mega church pastor Joel Osteen you can search Google with the terms joelosteen.com or joel osteen.com to find the man’s website. You could also use terms such as Joel Osteen Website or Joel Osteen Lakewood Church for other sorts of information on him.

Why do I care what Joel Osteen does or doesnt do in his church, especially seeing that I am not religious? People who are cheats, fakes, and phonies really bother me. I have written quite a few other posts on various community leaders who lead people astray for their own personal gain. My tax dollars go to support Joel Osteen (every church in America is exempt from taxes, but Joel Osteen is making millions tax-free teaching his Prosperity Message when he is basically just another self-help guru). I also am very wary of megachurch pastors (I used to attend one and have seen many on television)- they often seem to be some of the craziest people (Jim Jones-Want some Kool Aid?)

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2,056 thoughts on “Joel Osteen: Megachurch Televangelist Pastor without Christ?! SCANDAL!”

  1. Your’re an idiot. Get a life. Your are the one that probably hasn’t spent any time in the Word.The Bible is the best self help book in the world. Joel breaks it down into simple terms. I guess its just too simple for you. Don’t you have any thing else to do with your time. We will all know in the end who was right and wrong. All I know Joel is doing more for people than your negative whooy. Even my own assistant pastor of youth was on this kick this Sunday. Each man of God has a calling. Each has a different way of delivering God’s Word. I’ve been born again 30 years, saw the inside of CBN, and many other ministries. They’re all led by men and subject to flaws. Sorry you don’t seem to be able to understand contemporary gospel and think these men aren’t preaching the Bible.

  2. Hey Ray, you are the idiot believing in the whole religious fairy tale. They are all fleecers and we should start taxing these non producing carnies of society. get a brain simpleton

  3. What a case of sour grapes…he ends all of his broadcasts with saying “get in a good bible based church” and see where the Lord will take you. “He can take you places you never thought possible” sounds like he may be Christian afterall….stop bashing someone who has helped put a face and feeling on God’s healing power to millions, and I would surely rather send money to him to use to spread the word than send it in to overspending politicians anyday….back off and find someone else to pick apart…..”let he who is without sin cast the first stone”.

  4. Ok first off if you want to quote scripture then maybe you should quote one of the most important especially in this day and time Matthew 7:1&2 (NLT) : “Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. For God will judge you as you judge others. The measure you give will be the measure you get back.” So is this really the way you want to be judged? And secondly if you are not a believer than what gives you the right to say what is right and wrong in my beliefs? Joel Olsteen gives an uplifting sermon every Sunday that does speak highly of God and scripture, maybe you should take the time to listen to an entire sermon before you judge!!!

  5. To you who feels he has to judge. The say two things : You who are without sin, cast the first stone. Take the stick out of your eye, before judge someone. What give you the right to judge others? If
    you were such a good Christian, then you would not jdge.
    Pastor Joel Olsteen, is a wonderful individual and does carry a good
    and positive message of the Lord. So I say to you, who judges, go take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself, “Do I like what I see
    in the mirror?” Because apparently you don’t.

  6. I feel very sorry for you Joel (the person who created this website). I hope your heart changes because it’s evident it’s been made very hard. Read your Bible and good luck to you.

  7. Just let me tell you that god is blessing a lot of people thru pastor Osteen, and is what matters, you are supposing that some day pastor Osteen will make a mistake, just let me ask you how many mistakes you make daily? “no body is perfect” but to say that someone who is doing a lot of things for the people is not a good person, isn’t right.
    let me ask you something you think that the people who works deserve to make a salary or to prosper. of course they do, well i think that gods embassadors like pastor Osteen deserves to prosper even more ‘cos he has one of the most important jobs. TO PREACH THE WORD OF GOD AS IT IS, AND TO BRING HOPE FOR ALL OF THOSE WHO DID’NT HAVE ANY.

    GOD BLESS YOU

  8. Philippians 4:8
    Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.

  9. he is on the same station as Benny Hinn and Paul and Jan Crouch and Paula White and etc.. they are all modern day snake oil salesmen and you goofy sheep eat it all up. Make sure you donate today, I think I heard Rod Parsley offer “double” the rewards guarentee if you sow 100 today and only today. I didnt know God was in the used car sales business. You are all freaks.

  10. Dr Sam, did you get your “Doctorate” the same place that Benny Hinn and Crefalo Dollar did? You must be a grad of that old prophetic phony Oral Roberts. Doctor, screw you. If you were a real Doctor you would have brains and realize all this crap is man made.

  11. My wife and I watch Joel Osteen every Sunday,we really enjoy his messages.We think he is doing a great job in his church.We are planning to go see him in person when he comes back to North Carolina.

  12. MAY THE LORD FORGIVE YOU FOR ALL THE UNTRUE THINGS YOU HAVE SAID ABOUT THIS SERVANT OF GOD.
    PLEASE NOTE THAT I HAVE WATCHED PASTOR JOEL SEVERAL TIMES AND HE QUOTES THE BIBLE AND TALKS ABOUT THE HOLY TRINITY – GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON AND GOD THE SPIRIT – AT DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF HIS MINISTERATION.
    ALSO KNOW THAT IT IS MAN MADE RULE THAT A PERSON MUST FIRST GO TO A BIBLE SCHOOL BEFORE HE CAN BE ORDAINED AS A MINISTER OF GOD.I AM 48 YEARS OLD, TO GOD’S GLORY, AND I HAVE SEEN GOD USE MANY OF HIS SERVANTS(PASTORS) WHO HAVE NEVER STEPPED INTO A BIBLE SCHOOL. GOD CALLS WHOEVER HE LIKES LITERATE OR ILLETRATE, ABLED BODY OR DIASBLED.
    IF YOU ARE A BELIEVER, THEN YOU KNOW THAT GOD WARNS US NOT TO JUDGE ANOTHER PERSON. LET HIM WHO HAS NO SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE!
    YES, IT IS TRUE THAT THE ARMOUR DID NOT FIT DAVID, BUT GOT STILL USED HIM TO DEFEAT GOLIATH.
    SHALOM!

  13. Leave Joel Osteen alone, he is one of my favourite preachers. He is doing what god has called him to do, and that is bringing hope to hurting people. Are you jealous because he is such a successful preacher and prospering? Not too mention helping countless people who need the hope he brings about when he preaches.

    Please stop with your negativity to Joel and Spread Some Godly Love, or get a life!!

  14. You Mr. X are a raging, misinformed idiot! Ha You make me laugh with your “mighty” knowledge!!

  15. Sorry forgot to mention-when you die you won’t have to worry about the likes of Joel Osteen and the rest of us-We will definitely be in different places

  16. God bless you sir for opening my eyes. I too enjoyed Joel’s speaking, or as the Bible puts it “the tickeling of the ears.” I was not a faithful viewer but there did seem to be something left out of his messages. A pastor’s number one concern should be to bring others to Christ through his messages and into the Kingdom of God, not to make them feel good. Did Jesus do that? He ticked a lot of people off and ended being killed for his preaching giving us a way to heaven.

    What does he mean “That’s not my gift?” It’s not a “gift” but our duty as a christian to witness to the unbelievers. All we have to do is be willing to be used of God, then the Holy Spirit does his job. Anyone that denies this would appear to be a false profit because without Jesus all we are are sinners sitting in the pews, feeling good about ourselves.

    I believe it is in the book of Revelation where God is judging the “christians” and God says to some, “depart from me.” They say “but Lord, we cast out demons in your name.” Then God says “depart from me, I never knew you.”

  17. I would love to comment on a Lot of comments but there would be too many, first off all us christens lets stop fighting. second if you are a christen you would know that we all sin and fall short of god. we all christens know there is only one god and you get through him through Jesus.
    and most of all of us christens and not, if we were put into his shoes we would be on TV right now lol. weather we were for real or not. if he isn’t real then god will deal with that so all of us christens should know we don’t have to even worry about the other period.

    what I do know for sure and this is the truth Joel olsteen was coming to my town and I have been wanting at the time to get back into the truth about Jesus and was trying different christen options.
    Church shopping,watching it on TV, resources etc etc. And I seen Joel on TV and started watching him
    he seemed so sincere and very positive and he did mention god,love,hope Jesus etc. and at that time times were really hard for me and my family so it was refreshing to hear. and Joel is one of them that did ignite something in our hearts to go back to Jesus and he did help on the aspect. as I said earlier he was coming to our town. So I emailed him/his web sight and asked when he came here since we are having such a financial hard ship at the time could we get 4 tickets to go to his show for free. I even said we would volunteer or what ever we had to do. A friend was also going to go and she did and payed $80.00 and she told me that at the a little bit before the show Joel was selling tickets for half off cheaper etc, which they would be tickets that weren’t sold etc. Now My whole point to this specific subject is after I emailed got no response nothing?????? if he is so loving and understanding godly etc why would he give us tickets to go. that is one of the purposes that god has for us is to give to the poor?

    I’m not saying he is a bad person for it or even greedy but he did do one thing for sure he accommodated the people that payed for his show. not to say that he didn’t get no one in for free/volunteer. but we didn’t get in. but no matter if he didn’t god still had our back and since getting back with Christ it has been all good in our hearts minds bodies and souls.
    Amen praise God
    and may you all CHRISTENS BE BLESSED anybody else your on your own no offence
    PS people are arguing so much these days about who brought the message
    jehovah,mohammad,Christ. but as it says in the scriptures on a lot of these religions
    hear the message, feel the message, live by the message
    TO SUM IT UP!!!
    DID ANYONE GET THE MESSAGE????????
    THE 5 MAIN God’s PURPOSES OF LIFE

    1. LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART
    2. LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF
    3. GO MAKE DISCIPLES
    4. BAPTISE THEM INTO
    5. TEACH THEM EVERYTHING YOU KNOW
    Oh by the way it takes some people a life time to figure this out, and some of us don’t even figure it out ever. I’m not hear to judge I’m hear to teach everything I know someone help me out teach me, because I’m a sinner and I fall short of the glory of god

    Pss: if he really did donate all tha money that would be al ot of mouths to feed in the world
    and I know it says in the bible that the rich help the poor. I pray that he is doing good with the money, and if he has a nice car home etc then he deserves it if he is doing it for the grace of god.

  18. It breaks my heart to read and see so much division in the body of Christ. Paul states “where there is strife and division the spirit of God is not there.” However this is not to say that one is to keep silent when misguided teachers (pastors) are giving a messeage of hope without dealing with the core issue of why hope is needed which is “sin”. I believe Joel Olsteen has started out with good intentions. I believe he started out wanting to truly help. However as much as encouragement in the Lord is needed, we cannot give encouragement without the full council of God. We cannot be worried of the offense that might be conceived (which in reality is conviction [for the one that repents) or condemnation [for the one that will not acknowledge that repentance is needed]).
    We are told by Christ follow “Me”, “Me” in meaning Christ not man. So if the full message of God that Jesus gives us is not being taught and lived out by the one bringing the message I have know business following for then I am following a man not Christ.
    People will say “don’t talk about Joel he ministers to me, he makes me feel good, he gives me hope, etc.” That’s all well and good but as for me I don’t want a man ministering to me I want God, I don’t want to feel good for none of us are good except God, therefore I want to know I am seen righteous before the father and this is only through Christ, I don’t want Joel’s hope I want the only real hope there is which is Christ.
    My desire (I say mine because I don’t want to be accused of speaking for all mankind, though I would hope all mankind [believers] would desire this), is to be in right relationship with my Father in heaven. If I am in right relationship it does not matter what is seen and felt in the natural for we know that our father is at work in the supernatural and will manifest all things in the natural at its appropriate time. We pray to be delivered, but we do want to examine ourselves to see if there is anything that needs to be confessed, repented of or surrendered, for God then to move us to the next level of maturity in our relationship with Him.
    Joel Olsteen is serving a purpose, for God will use all things for His purpose even the foolishness in man. Those who are truly seeking truth will not be satisfied with staying under His teaching, for God does desire more for us than we can ever think or imagine, and brothers and sisters though material things are not evil a focus on them as God being at work in our lives is.
    God spoke to Balaam by way of a mule, does this mean that if God for a moment uses a mule to speak to me I need to stay under the mule? Please do not take my words out of context I am not Calling Joel a mule. I believe that Joel just like us is a work in process. My prayer is for him to become a mighty man of God that preaches that full word of God.
    I keep hearing people say our God is a break through God, I believe this true but onlye once we are broken, surrendered, repented and fully dependent on him, then He can break through and we can hear Him in our circumstance.

    I pray that all us may continue seeking and desiring truth in our lives, not our truth but truth which only come from God.

    Christ says “I am the way, the truth and the life know one comes to father except through me” John 14:6

    Therefore we need to follow Christ.

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