SUPER FUNNY UPDATE ON JOEL OSTEEN: Check out Joel Osteen’s super scammy books he sells on Amazon (24!!!) including his self help BS book
and his hilarious book on “Wise Choices”. If only he’d follow his own advice!
LOL! For all you Joel Osteen fanboys – remember he just cynically feeds on you to make money so he can live his fancy lifestyle. He couldn’t care less about you in reality.
Popular televangelist preacher Joel Osteen has been named the “Most Influential Christian in America” in 2006 by the Church Report, was one of
Barbara Walters, “10 Most Fascinating People of 2006 and operates an extraordinarily profitable religious scam operation that probably will one day end in scandal.
So who is this guy who has appeared on 60 Minutes, Larry King Live and has his own television shows?
Who is this guy who thinks he can share the mighty name of Joel?
Joel Osteen has not yet had major sex scandals, drug scandals or molestation scandals like the other megachurch pastors: Pat Robertson, Al Sharpton, Ted Haggard, Paul Barnes, D.E. (Earl) Paulk, Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker, William Dodd and too many others to possibly mention here. What Joel Osteen DOESN’T do is the real question.
In his sermons, Joel Osteen does not talk about God. Joel Osteen instead talks about almost everything except God. He has a television ministry, a massive church, $43 million a year in tithes and another $36 million a year in mailed in donations, but he won’t talk about God. He, like Pastor Kevin Gerald, talks about more pleasant topics, such as donating money to him and positive thinking. He has written two books, the second of which sold 3 million copies, but his books don’t really talk about God either. It’s just his bland and boring advice on how to live a happy life that has been thought of by other people first, “Think positively about yourself” and other such drivel.
What does Joel Osteen say when people ask him about why he does not discuss God or Jesus Christ or sin or what you need to do to go to Heaven? “That’s not my gift.” What are you doing being a freaking megachurch pastor then, bonehead?!
If you are going to try to operate a religious scam, at least make it religious! I actually think that Joel Osteen operating a secular “Christian” church is more of a scandal than Ted Haggard and his transsexual prostitutes and meth! (Though not nearly as funny of a scandal).
Joel Osteen didn’t even found his megachurch; instead the business was handed down to him by his father. When Joel Osteen became the head pastor of his church, he had only preached ONE sermon in his entire life- and that was the week before. Joel Osteen does not have any training in the Bible (seminary, degrees, etc.), which is probably why he doesn’t want to talk about it much.
My loyal readers have pointed out to me many times that the ridiculous actions of leaders in religion do not invalidate their beliefs. They are absolutely correct on this. However, there has never been anything that VALIDATES their beliefs either. The Flying Spaghetti Monster has the same amount of evidence on his side as most other gods. Here is another question I put to you: Please find me a single megachurch pastor who is NOT a scam-running, meth-eating, prostitute-abusing criminal. Anyone?
Update March 3, 2008 on JOEL OSTEEN:
Many people have been discussing Joel Osteen in the comments and making statements about his beliefs, behavior and preaching methods that show a distinct lack of understanding of his profit driven motives. Below I have added a video of Joel Osteen on Larry King Live where he dances around the core question of the Christian faith: What does it take to get to heaven? Joel Osteen hems and haws and won’t even say that people of different religions won’t make it to heaven.
The partial transcript for Joel Osteen’s interview with Larry King is below. I have basically pulled out the most pertinent excerpts to the point I have tried to make on televangelist Joel Osteen.
Televangelist Joel Osteen Discusses Christianity with Larry King
First is Larry King’s impressive introduction of Joel Osteen:
LARRY KING, CNN HOST: Tonight, Joel Osteen, evangelism’s hottest rising star, pastor for the biggest congregation in the United States… Pastor Joel Osteen is here for the hour…. Joel Osteen is the author of the number one “New York Times” best-seller, “Your Best Life Now.” There you see its cover. “Seven Steps to Living at Your Full Potential.” There is now a compendium been published called “Your Best Life Now Journal,” a guide to reaching that full potential. Joel Osteen is pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. His father before him. He has been called the smiling preacher.
Larry King knows Joel Osteen Ministries is huge and tries to play nice with him throughout the interview.
KING: Why are you a preacher?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I never was for 17 years. I worked with my dad there at the church. He tried to get me to minister. I didn’t have it in me. I worked behind the scenes. I loved doing production and things. But when my father died, I just knew — I don’t know how to explain it, it sounds kind of odd, but I just knew down to here I was supposed to step up to the plate and pastor the church. And it was odd because I had never preached before. But I just knew I was supposed to do it.
Hmmm… either God gave him the “calling” or he was scared of losing his father’s multi-million dollar preaching business.
KING: But don’t you think if people don’t believe as you believe, they’re somehow condemned?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I think that happens in our society. But I try not to do that. I tell people all the time, preached a couple Sundays about it. I’m for everybody. You may not agree with me, but to me it’s not my job to try to straighten everybody out. The Gospel called the good news. My message is a message of hope, that’s God’s for you. You can live a good life no matter what’s happened to you. And so I don’t know. I know there is condemnation but I don’t feel that’s my place.
Joel Osteen comes right out and says that he will refuse to condemn sinners. He is too afraid, it’s not his place, he just wants to spew bland niceties… hmmm.
LARRY KING: Where were you ordained? OSTEEN: I was ordained from the church there, Lakewood, under my dad’s ministry.
LARRY KING: So you didn’t go to seminary?
JOEL OSTEEN: No, sir, I didn’t.
LARRY KING: They can just make you a minister?
JOEL OSTEEN: You can, you can.
Wow. Joel Osteen never even attended Bible school or classes for future preachers. No wonder he is so clueless about Biblical theology.
LARRY KING: Is it hard to lead a Christian life?
JOEL OSTEEN: I don’t think it’s that hard. To me it’s fun. We have joy and happiness. Our family — I don’t feel like that at all. I’m not trying to follow a set of rules and stuff. I’m just living my life.
LARRY KING: But you have rules, don’t you?
JOEL OSTEEN: We do have rules. But the main rule to me is to honor God with your life. To life a life of integrity. Not be selfish. You know, help others. But that’s really the essence of the Christian faith.
Of course its not hard for Joel Osteen to lead a Christian life. BECAUSE HE’S NOT!!!
LARRY KING: What if you’re Jewish or Muslim, you don’t accept Christ at all?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I’m very careful about saying who would and wouldn’t go to heaven. I don’t know …
LARRY KING: If you believe you have to believe in Christ? They’re wrong, aren’t they?
JOEL OSTEEN: Well, I don’t know if I believe they’re wrong. I believe here’s what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God with judge a person’s heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don’t know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don’t know. I’ve seen their sincerity. So I don’t know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.
The last exchange between Larry King and Joel Osteen hits the nail on the head of everything that is wrong with the Joel Osteen Ministry. All it is is fluff. He can’t even defend the single core belief of Christianity- that a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is a requirement to gain access to Heaven.
Below is more Joel Osteen preaching videos. Joel Osteen preaches on cheesy, transparent topics that have nothing to do with the Bible. He twists scripture around to serve his own purposes of mass produced drivel. My question to Joel Osteen is where in the Bible does it say Christians have a “right to total victory” over physical pain, financial problems and other issues? Did he completely miss the book of Job or the trials and tribulations that the early Christians had to suffer under the Romans? I don’t think that Joel Osteen has ever even read the Bible.
DO NOT LET JOEL OSTEEN CONTINUE TO GET AWAY WITH HIS BIBLE-CONTRADICTING, POLITICALLY CORRECT AND PROFIT SEEKING DRIVEL! JOEL OSTEEN’S SCANDAL IS OUTRAGEOUS!
Jesus once went into a temple and threw out currency traders and salespeople…. WHO WILL THROW THE SCANDAL CREATING JOEL OSTEEN OUT OF GOD’S ASTRODOME TEMPLE?
Further discussion: Joel Osteen megachurch building – Joel Osteen paid the city of Houston $90,000,000 to remodel the former home of NBA team Houston Rockets and an additional $14,000,000 to lease the building for 30 years. Preacher Joel Osteen’s megachurch does not even own the building! Pastor Joel Osteen doesn’t care though- he’ll be dead by then and this church is all about him. The most interesting thing about the new church is that there is not a SINGLE cross in the whole building! Want to know why? Joel Osteen says that he wants to remove all “stumbling blocks” from the way of people coming to his church and being comfortable. Since when has Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross been a STUMBLING BLOCK for faith?! The scandal here is that the Joel Osteen is doing and saying blasphemous things… and no one is calling him out on it. The pastor of the largest church in America won’t even follow the basic tenets of Christianity!
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Joel Osteen is unable to even keep his own family under control. Pastor Joel Olsteen’s wife, Victoria Osteen, has been fined $3,000 and is being sued for assaulting a flight attendant on her first-class trip to the playground of the rich and famous Vail, Colorado.
Bible Verses that Condemn Megachurch Pastor Joel Osteen
I have had quite a few people post in the comments asking what does it really matter what Joel Osteen believes if he’s helping people? If Joel Osteen teaches nice things, isn’t it okay for him to be a Christian pastor? I understand that my opinions of right and wrong should not sway you, but I ask you to consider what the Bible says on the matter. First, let’s take the Bible verses that are the standard definition of who is a Christian:
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 (NIV)
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 (NIV)
For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23 (NIV)
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faithand this not from yourselves, it is the gift of Godnot by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (NIV)
To summarize, the only way to be saved and go to heaven is by the grace of Jesus and by faith in God. These are the basic verses that every Christian who has accepted Christ knows. Now for the verses that clearly state that only Christians who believe the above will go to Heaven:
-John 3:3: no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.
-John 3:15: everyone who believes in him [Jesus] may have eternal life.
-John 3:18: whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of Gods one and only Son.
-John 14:6: Jesus answered: No one comes to the Father except through me
-Acts 3:23: And it shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people. (ASV)
-Acts 4:12: Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved
-Romans 10:9: Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved
-Hebrews 9:28: he [Christ] will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him
-1 John 5:12: he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
The nine quoted verses above clearly state that only Christians can go to Heaven. Now, if Joel Osteen truly believed and was a pastor of a Bible-based church, would he preach a false message of hope to people? Joel Osteen is essentially subverting the word of God, which motivated me to write this post. I am not sure why Joel would do this, but my postulation (as above) is that he is doing it for financial gain. Joel Osteens father was a pastor and he has been a pastor for a long time now and he should know better than most people the MOST basic tenets of Christianity. Ignorance is an excuse for new Christians (as long as they work at it), but not for a shepherd of the flock.
Do you know what the Bible says about false teachers like Joel Osteen?
-2 Timothy 4:3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.
-Matthew 7:15,16 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits.
-Acts 20:29-31 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves . Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.
-2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
-2 Peter 3:16,17 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
-Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
-Hebrews 13:9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.
The Bible is very, very harsh in its condemnation of people who change, twist or leave out parts of its doctrine. False leaders (Joel Osteen), to me, are more disgusting than someone who is a hypocrite (Ted Haggard).
For more information on mega church pastor Joel Osteen you can search Google with the terms joelosteen.com or joel osteen.com to find the man’s website. You could also use terms such as Joel Osteen Website or Joel Osteen Lakewood Church for other sorts of information on him.
Why do I care what Joel Osteen does or doesnt do in his church, especially seeing that I am not religious? People who are cheats, fakes, and phonies really bother me. I have written quite a few other posts on various community leaders who lead people astray for their own personal gain. My tax dollars go to support Joel Osteen (every church in America is exempt from taxes, but Joel Osteen is making millions tax-free teaching his Prosperity Message when he is basically just another self-help guru). I also am very wary of megachurch pastors (I used to attend one and have seen many on television)- they often seem to be some of the craziest people (Jim Jones-Want some Kool Aid?)
yOUR PAGE IS REDICULOUS – jOELS, WORDS ARE FOR THOSE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING MUCH DEEPER THAN FEAR BASED GUIDANCE, HE IS SPEAKING TO THOSE YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE SUPERIOR IN ORDER TO BE VALIDATED OR SIGNIFICANT – YOU ARE FEEDING INTO THE IGNORANCE OF OLD SCHOOL FEAR BASED PROPAGANDA – jOEL SPEAKS OF GOD OFTEN, YOU ARE NOT LISTENING-
This Sunday Morning, I logged on the computer for no particular reason. Almost instantly I felt like looking at something spiritual instead of clothes or facebook or any other nonsense. The first and only thing that popped into my mind was Joel. I’m a 26 year old Black Woman… I am very blessed. I do not go to church…. But I believe in God. All of my peers are pretty much the same. What I’m getting at is Joel reaches an audience that you will never touch. There’s been times when I’ve felt so down and I just sat at the t.v. flipping through channels and he pops up and for some reason his sermon is dealing with exactly what I’m going through….. His words make sense. They are pure… I don’t know Joel and I’m sure he’s not innocent but I know god gave him a gift and he’s living up to it. You can’t find any real scandal on him so you pick and pry for anything you can…. You just made me like Joel’s ministry even more! With all the evil in the world, you choose to zoom in on someone who’s messages have gotten people through such tough times? You are the type of person that stops my Generation from going to church. You and all your followers are stuck in a sick mind frame…. all of you probably hate Obama. It doesn’t even matter because people are waking up, and they are learning the truth, the same truth so many wanted to bury. God is reaching the people you look down on. He loves us and he especially loves the one’s who aren’t afraid to talk to us. Find something better to do with your time than hate on Joel Osteen. It’s pathedic and tasteless. Write about some of the preist that rape boys…. And get away with it.
to whom ever,
I COME TO YOU AS A BELIEVER AND FOLLOWER OF JESUS CHRIST, SON OF GOD.
THE ONLY APOLOGY I HAVE TO YOU WOULD BE MY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ON HOW TO FORMALLY
PREPARE THIS STATEMENT…FOR AS A WRITER I AM A NOVICE’S novice…YET GAINING
MORE AND MORE, LITTLE BY LITTLE THE TOOLS I NEED TO ACCOMPLISH MY GOAL OF
SUCESSFULLY CONVEYING WHAT’S ON MY MIND…SO MUCH FOR THAT.
I SAW THE VIDEO PRECEDING THIS REPLY AND HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU…IF I MAY
QUESTION “YOUR” FAITH. DO YOU HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS AND IF YOU DO,
IS THERE ANY DOUBT IN YOUR MIND OR GUILT IN YOUR HEART OVER WHAT YOU DID BY
INSERTING COMMENTS OF UNCHRISTIAN-LIKE VIEWS ON BROTHER OLSTEEN’S VIDEO…THESE ARE
CERTAINLY SATONIC. ATHEISTS WILL AGREE WITH YOU …ARE THESE YOUR FOLLOWERS?
ISSAC CARRIED ON AFTER ABRAHAM..HOW ABOUT JOSEPH AND JACOB..YOU KNOW THERE IS MORE.
ON WHO,S BEHALF ARE YOU SPEAKING WHEN PRESENTING CLAIMS OF SCANDALISM AGAINST
YOUR BROTHER JOEL CARRYING ON HIS FATHER’S MISSION? IS IT YOUR MISSION TO TURN
DECENT CHRISTIANS AGAINST HIM…AND JUST WHAT ARE YOUR MOTIVES FOR WHAT YOU DO? ARE YOU
A NAME DROPPER (LARRY KING)…WILL YOU DO ANYTHING TO BRING ATTENTION TO YOURSELF
ANY WAY YOU CAN NO MATTER WHAT. I DARE YOU TO ASK GOD FOR FORGIVENESS…HE WILL AND
I DO. MAY GOD BE “YOUR” ANSWER
I think this smiling guy Joel Osteen is a millionare who wants to keep million for himeself using the
church, he is a smart guy but is doing the wrong thing using the Bible to make himeself rich, that is a sin, really!
THE BIBLE SAYS FOR “ALL” TO GO UNTO EARTH AND “PREACH THE GOSPEL”. THE BIBLE
ALSO SAYS TO TITHE 10%. IF EVERYONE TITHED ABUNDANTLY AT “YOUR” CHURCH COULD YOU
IMAGINE HOW BLESSED YOU WOULD BE? MEMBERS THAT ARE TRULY BELEIVERS IN CHRIST PRAY
FOR THIER PASTORS TO LEAD THEM AND THEY COME TO CHURCH HUNGRY FOR THE TRUE WORD OF GOD, LED
BY GOD TO GO FEED UPON HIS WORD. MANY CHURCHES CLOSE DOWN AND SHUT THE DOORS BECAUSE
MEMBERS FAIL TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT..TIME, TITHES,PRAYERS AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER.TRUE BELIEVERS
ARE NOT JEALOUS OF ONE ANOTHER. MOST PEOPLE WHO COMPLAIN , NOT ONLY ABOUT PREACHERS WHO ARE
BLESSED, BUT DOCTORS AND OTHER PROFESSIONALS AND SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS OWNERS WHO ARE WEALTHY,
ARE JEALOUS AND DO NOTHING . JUST SIT BACK AND COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW HARD THEY HAVE IT…INSTEAD
OF JUMPING UP AND DOING SOMETHING FOR THE GLORY OF GOD. HAVE FAITH IN “GOD”, GOD IS USING JOEL
I spent a lot of my life studing the bible. I believe that one must on there own read the bible at least one time without other’s interperting it for them. I have found that many people take little verses and use them in many different ways to support there point of view. That being said. I also wasted a lot of my time judging others and what they belived. God will show who he is supporting, he will bless them and prosper them, everyone in the bible he supported was blessed even if they were big time sinners like David. Christ is about giving the sinner a chance and if someone is using god to gain he will be knocked down to his knee’s but if God is blessing them, then so be it that is between God and the one being blessed. We are suppose to go out and spead the Good News!! Not scare people with what no one knows for sure is going to happen. We are not here to Judge and complain about others not following the law but to live life and the law in a way that brings Glory to God. There are many people who never step foot in church that do that better than church going people who spend there time complaining and being critical of others. Spend your time getting to know God and God will take care those who are spreading the wrong gospel. Spread the good news and show the sinners, God is here for them and it is a good thing to be a christian. And if Joel brings people to the bible how ever her dose it, it is a good thing.
I feel sorry for you. Joel Osteen is a great man. As to WHY? you are not god and not to judge. good luck and God B
i think he has a good approach with religion…i think its great he doesnt have a gigantic cross in the astro-dome like church because it would make current non-blievers comfortable to come in and not so “bam! in your face” type of atmosphere. this is just my opinion. you got to admit he has a more subtle approach to preaching than other preachers who are basically “in your face” and uses fear as a means of getting people to understand the teachings.
Joel is pollyannaish and sickening. See http://www.godisimaginary.com
I am blessed by his words of encouragement. He talks about God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Sprit.
We live in an evil world. Joel is only a man with his weaknesses. If God is using him to bless people to open their Bible, pray, have a thankful spirit and believe in God’s promises so be it.
I watch it on TV for free, and also received free literature – thank to the business arrangement he has – that those who may never hear of Christ get an opportunity to hear the message.
Also – Joel is never begging for money on TV – he only talks about his own prosperity…..law suits, and challenges of running a ‘business’. He is not Mother Theresa. We are all different and I am glad for Joel.
You have hit a home run here !! I think you have pegged Mr. Osteen for exactly what he is, a $$$$ making machine !!!
What a sad person you seem to be! I thank God for those like Joel Osteen who work towards positive ways to help others rather than wasting time trying to find fault in others.
why waste your time bashing someone…he is uplifting to listen to unlike this negative site full of drivel and nasty jealous comments.
Apparently you are not listining to what this man is saying and only are looking to try and make him look bad. Your are acting like a child. Who are you to proclaim yourself to be the judge of another man. Why do you try to get the speck from his eye when you have a log in your own. That can be said of all of us. I wacthed the Larry King bit he did not dance around but simply said that he believes in his faith and was not going to judge others and allow god to do that. It is people like you who do more harm to fulfilling the kingdom of Christ then good because you are what is referred to as toxic Christain. Only the individual knows his relationship with god and you or nobody else is to judge that. This man has done a remarkable job to bringing people to Christ and helping them to believe in themselves, what is wrong with that? If he gets caught in a scandel he will have to answer for that not you, so why do you insist on being judge, jury, and excecutioner before he has even been accused. I will pray that you come to be happy with who you are and be a help to your faith. We were not put here to judge. This man tells you himself who he is and what training he has, he is not proclaiming to be something he is not and yet people like you continue to find fault. If he falls from grace then he answers to God it doesn’t matter to me because my faith is with God not with man, but I will and do thank God for his message, it serves well in just a small part of the big picture and has helped many people to believe in themselves as well as God
“I didn’t know that he charged $360 a seat though?! Is that true? Does Joel Osteen charge $360 a seat for his sermons?”
That’s flippn’ retarded and this is personally some bs. The fact that I know yes, I have been to a few of his sermons. I didn’t pay anything and sat where I pleased. I think this whole page seems rather “dull” and ignorant on a new level. People say that when someone shoves Christianity at your face you tend to reject. Joel Osteen is being smarter than the average dolt of a human. If you notice a person who isn’t involved in Christianity wouldn’t listen to someone who speak of God, but if you take it in a different perspective and hear such good things in a pleasant way, you’re more willing to be accepting of faith. I have met him personally and he’s doing nothing wrong. He actually is making a difference to the RIGHT people, most preachers just talk about God only to Christians, but his popularity not only brings in Christians, but sinners or non-Christians (however you want to say it) inward. In the end what matters most is the fact that someone is a little non-understanding of the job of a preacher which is to preach the WORD of god, his will so that others might be able to see the light. :p
This page is still going on ! I went to the old Lakewood and the new one for 6 years . Joel reaches the unreachable . Me for one , I’ve seen it & know it without any doubt God is with Joel and Victoria . Not many stay some do I know . Lakewood brings in people against there own will They are called to a close contact with Gods presence The vast majority do not come to hear Joel . The Holy Spirit is the attraction . It is simple but not understood by everyone so I guess that is the reason for the anti Joel statements . Growing in Christ is real and on going process for all of us . Lakewood was my call to be in Gods presence . Now if you read the Bible go to church please understand God is REAL and its not a point system where you can earn His approval . I am no better than any of you I lived in Houston at that time saw Joel on TV , and was compelled to go . I stayed for as long as I could but there is for most of us a time to go on and grow in our life . Tools and Holy spirit given wisdom , Yes I have that all from attending Lakewood. Now I need to use what I was given out here in this world I mess up a lot not a very good example perfect christian but then no one is are they . I struggle with life example : My daughter 35 just died after gall bladder surgery last year she found out she was HIV positive , complications happened . She would go with me to Lakewood . We went to be close to God not to become rich she went to Arizona became homeless and I went to Florida and am now unemployed . I am drawing now on my Time at Lakewood . Struggling wanting to hate to condemn people , Government , Hospitals , MYSELF But I will never Condemn God or the Osteens That must say something about Joel / Victoria and Lakewood Church . Hey why don’t you tell me I am brain washed and to drink my poisoned Kool aid
WE BELIEVE
everyone needs to know God for himself , and have a personal relationship with his son, we cannot go about blaming a pastor for when Christ returns what are going to say , the pastor didnt tell me about you hello the bible is there for everyone to read but then again that is human nature we just love to judge others God is the only judge if he is doing good with the money helping others , why is people so angry we need to understand money is only paper and will soon be goneone is bless ,to share with others
PLEASE……………………. LEAVE ALL JUDGEMENT TO GOD. HE ALONE IS IN THE JUDGEMENT SEAT. NOBODY DIED AND MADE YOU ALL GOD.
who are you, and why are you so negative? nothing that you have said is valid, you pulled quotes from a conversation, and that is all it is, you point out your own opinion, and again, that is at it is… i watch joel ministry often, and he always speaks of GOD, and scriptures. To put it plainly, your mind is just closed off becouse you’ve already formed your own opionion. Above when you talk about him condememing people who don’t believe the way he does, we’ll as a christian, that is not our job, is only God’s job to condemn, all we are supposed to do, is open our hearts, and pray. If we have a gift such a Joel to be inspiring and uplifting, then why not. I try to listen to Joel every chance i get, and believe me i hear everything i need to hear about the message of God. His message leads me right to the place where i need to be at that exact moment, and sets the week off right….. You should be a little more open minded, and get in a good faith based church, and soon you will recognize what his message is saying a little better, before you go talking about something that maybe you know nothing about… i will pray for you though. wow!!!